F9 closing up shop?

[outerlimits]

Those are the slobs who spill mustard off their hot dogs.

Are you this much of a dik in person ?

 

[kwick]

Why do you SW Bubbas feel the need to start a thread about F9 's demise?
Because they had the nerve to stand up to your attempt to steal their rightfully
earned Captains seats?
Just like the ones you stole from Muse, Morris, ATA, and AirTran.
Why go there, unless you're a total D- Bag.

Karma would mean that AA, Delta or United buy you, bump you out of your seat and
domicile, and see how you feel.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Why do you SW Bubbas feel the need to start a thread about F9 's demise?
Because they had the nerve to stand up to your attempt to steal their rightfully
earned Captains seats?
Just like the ones you stole from Muse, Morris, ATA, and AirTran.
Why go there, unless you're a total D- Bag.

Karma would mean that AA, Delta or United buy you, bump you out of your seat and
domicile, and see how you feel.

Well, I see you're still an idiot.

To actually answer your question, while this thread was started by an SWA guy, it was only because he heard a rumor, and wanted to know if it was true. Jeez, he even said as much. Wow, how nefarious of him. The only people who actually claimed it was true were St Nic, a well-known USAir East idiot, and Airline#5, who no one's ever heard of. Well, that and a few guys who sarcastically said it was true, including you, Kwick. I guess that makes you one of those "D-bags" you seem to know so much about.

Anyway, as usual, I answered/addressed your question, so how about answering mine for once: Why do you think that 5 years' AirTran service "earned" you a Southwest captain seat, when it took 10 years' Southwest service to earn that same Southwest captain a seat? I'm serious--tell us why you think that's true. Or are you just going to pretend you didn't see me calling you out, wait a couple of days, then spout your unsubstantiated crap anew? You know, like you usually do.

Are you really one of those guys who believe that once you upgrade at one carrier, you somehow "earned" a captain seat and any other airline in the world? No matter what? Is that what you think? Jeez--talk about trying to take a "short cut." That seems to be you trying to take one. Tsk, tsk.

Bubba

 

[kwick]

Talk about an idiot, you can't even read.

I said SW was pulling the plug, not Frontier.

How could SW pull the plug on F9? Do you think SW can just "will," other airlines out
of business?

You are totally out of touch with reality.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Talk about an idiot, you can't even read.

I said SW was pulling the plug, not Frontier.

How could SW pull the plug on F9? Do you think SW can just "will," other airlines out
of business?

You are totally out of touch with reality.

No you didn't, dumbass.

Nobody, not even you, said anything about "SW pulling the plug" on Frontier...until just this moment, that is, when you threw that in as an attempted deflection. You originally asked about why SW guys would start a thread "about F9's demise." Neither you, nor anyone else, said anything about who or what would cause that demise. Including the OP, who merely asked about a generic, non-specific rumor that he had heard.

So, you gonna' answer my question? If not, at least keep your avoidance deflections straight; you seem to be mixing them up

It appears to be YOU, who is totally out of touch--with your own reality, that is.

Bubba

 

[maru657]

Just keep in mind that to Bubba, everyone's an idiot. This is largely due to a medical condition caused by his head being in a dark place. But it doesn't really matter, if SWAPA fails the IQ test and strikes he'll get educated.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Just keep in mind that to Bubba, everyone's an idiot. This is largely due to a medical condition caused by his head being in a dark place. But it doesn't really matter, if SWAPA fails the IQ test and strikes he'll get educated.

Dude....seriously, just stop talking. Please.

All you seem to do is throw in random, often contradictory, nonsensical statements related to some theoretical strike. When no one is even talking about a strike. Nobody, probably not even yourself, knows what the hell you're talking about. Since you seem to be unable to explain yourself in the slightest, just stop,......okay?

Bubba

 

[outerlimits]

Just keep in mind that to Bubba, everyone's an idiot. This is largely due to a medical condition caused by his head being in a dark place. But it doesn't really matter, if SWAPA fails the IQ test and strikes he'll get educated.

Dude

What's with your hate for SWA.? I have 2 guesses . One has to do with your wife, the other with an interview .

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Dude

What's with your hate for SWA.? I have 2 guesses . One has to do with your wife, the other with an interview .

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Freebrd]

maybe it's on youtubey

 

[maru657]

Starting a rumour about another company's operations is a standard business tactic and it's also pretty slimy. Do us all a favor and strike.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Starting a rumour about another company's operations is a standard business tactic and it's also pretty slimy. Do us all a favor and strike.

I know, I know. You just can't wait to cross a line. Trust me, we all know.

Nobody cares, or even understands, the majority of what you post, Mr. Scab-wannabe. Back to your hole, you irrelevant, washed-up piece of sh1t.

Bubba

 

[Bolo]

Can I ask everybody why this thread is called F9 closing shop? Probably one of the worst threads ever!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Can I ask everybody why this thread is called F9 closing shop? Probably one of the worst threads ever!

Because the guy who started the thread had apparently heard a rumor that Frontier was shutting down, and asked if anyone else had any info, or if they heard the same thing. That was the very first post. Then some of the usual suspects chimed in, trying to spin it into their particular pet peeve.

For instance, Maru, as usual, babbled about strikes and what-not, and other stuff that nobody understood. Kwick took the opportunity to try to slam SWAPA and Southwest pilots, because he's still unhappy, and whining--like a bitch--about something that he didn't like that happened, literally, years ago. Bunkle made his usual stupid remark about cowboy boots, or some other stupid and inane thing. And his alter-ego/lapdog (no one's sure which) Freebrd added his predictable brown-nose add-on to Bunkle's nonsense. Plus a very few people actually tried to discuss the actual question from the OP.

In other words, the usual. :blush:

Bubba

 

[maru657]

Some bozo from Southwest started it and of course then "Bubba", the mouthpiece of SWAPA weighed in. I guess there still pissed that nobody loves them.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Some bozo from Southwest started it and of course then "Bubba", the mouthpiece of SWAPA weighed in. I guess there still pissed that nobody loves them.

1. It's "they're," not "there," dumbass.
2. I didn't weigh in at all (I hadn't heard the rumor, and had no info on the subject). That is, until after both Kwick started his personal, unrelated rant, and of course you started babbling about somebody striking, or not striking, or you wanting them to strike, or whatever. It's hard to tell exactly what you're trying to say at any given time. Then I responded to your BS.
3. We're not pissed at all, and according to polls and rankings, lots of people love us. Not that it matters all that much, as long as they buy tickets. Same as any other airline. People buy tickets, and the employees get paid.
4. I see that you still say the stupidest things. Keep up the good work, Mr. Irrelevant!

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

So, you gonna' answer my question? If not, at least keep your avoidance deflections straight; you seem to be mixing them up

It appears to be YOU, who is totally out of touch--with your own reality, that is.

Bubba

Hmmmm.

So, Kwick--I guess the answer then is, "no, you're NOT going to bother to answer the question, nor explain your rationale in your rants." You'll just keep ignoring it, right?

But I bet I can count on you to wait a while, then make the exact same, dumb, unexplained and irrational accusations in your usual, bitchy form. Right? I mean, you're not going to let me down, are you?

Bubba

 

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[maru657]

Geeez Bubba, your real mean online!

 

[jetalc]

And we wonder why this forum is dead. I've seen more maturity in Michael Jackson's bedroom - why are you so pissy, Bubba? All you're doing is feeding the monsters. This thread should be closed - it was misleading (doubt it was just curiosity after 'hearing a rumor') to begin with, and has simply digressed since. Are you this cantankerous in the airplane too?

Let's just let this thread fade away, like this forum.

 

[kwick]

Hmmmm.

So, Kwick--I guess the answer then is, "no, you're NOT going to bother to answer the question, nor explain your rationale in your rants." You'll just keep ignoring it, right?

But I bet I can count on you to wait a while, then make the exact same, dumb, unexplained and irrational accusations in your usual, bitchy form. Right? I mean, you're not going to let me down, are you?

Bubba

Let me guess. You had a rich uncle pay for your flight training, you paid for your
training to get a job at SW. It's your first airline , and you have absolutely
no clue how airline mergers work. If you buy an airline, you keep your seat and
your domicile, in most cases.

Only a Scab- Wannabee steals a seat at another's expense.

But you stole the seats from Muse Air, Morris Air, ATA, and AirTran!

I hope you you guys grow some balls, go on strike, and all the guys whose seats you've stolen, come back and claim their rightfully earned positions!

They can ride my Jumpseat anytime!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Let me guess. You had a rich uncle pay for your flight training, you paid for your
training to get a job at SW. It's your first airline , and you have absolutely
no clue how airline mergers work. If you buy an airline, you keep your seat and
your domicile, in most cases.

Just like I said--you waited two weeks, repeated the same sh1t, and still failed to address my actual question. Shocker. :laugh:

And no, no rich uncle paying for any of my flight training, and no paying for my training at SW--you must be thinking of PCL! :blush: I paid for everything myself, including my college degree, and although Southwest is my first and only airline job, it's only because it's the only airline I ever applied to.

And I probably know as much about mergers as you do, through witnessing what actually happens. And as it turns out from history, all pilots don't automatically keep their seats and domiciles--it depends on the circumstances. Also, a substantial portion of FAT captains ARE eligible for a SWA captain seat (I've heard 70%, but I don't know for sure); just not those with too little service. You must be one of those 4-5 year upgrade wonders who's pissed that his quick upgrade at a small airline doesn't automatically translate to every major in the country, ahead of thousands of pilots at that airline with much more service (wow, talk about taking a shortcut!! )

Lemme' ask you this, Kwick--ir AirTran had bought some tiny, paid-nothing startup airline, would you advocate giving your captain seats to even their instant street captains? And relative to boot, so they'd all be ahead of you. Somehow I doubt it.

Every acquisition/merger is different, and have different circumstances that must be addressed. There are NO absolutes, and there never have been absolutes. Even if you really, really want there to be. Sorry.

Only a Scab- Wannabee steals a seat at another's expense.

I take back what I said earlier about me knowing "about the same as you" regarding mergers. I'm obviously know much more about union business and mergers, because you clearly know dick. You still don't even know the definition of "scab," even though you've been told repeatedly. Get some more union experience, and then you can get back to me, okay?

But you stole the seats from Muse Air, Morris Air, ATA, and AirTran!

I hope you you guys grow some balls, go on strike, and all the guys whose seats you've stolen, come back and claim their rightfully earned positions!

They can ride my Jumpseat anytime!

So let me get this straight--now you're advocating people crossing an airline union's picket line? More than that, you seem to be hoping it happens! What a piss-poor union guy you are. And by the way, since you don't seem to know crap-all about unionism, let me point out the ironic part for you: what you advocate and want to happen to Southwest would be actual scabbing. What you think is scabbing in your post above, actually isn't. Don't worry; I'm sure one of these days, you'll get it.

Bubba

 

[outerlimits]

Let me guess. You had a rich uncle pay for your flight training, you paid for your
training to get a job at SW. It's your first airline , and you have absolutely
no clue how airline mergers work. If you buy an airline, you keep your seat and
your domicile, in most cases.

Only a Scab- Wannabee steals a seat at another's expense.

But you stole the seats from Muse Air, Morris Air, ATA, and AirTran!

I hope you you guys grow some balls, go on strike, and all the guys whose seats you've stolen, come back and claim their rightfully earned positions!

They can ride my Jumpseat anytime!

Did you get the B-727 type as an Eastern scab .
I think I asked before and never got an answer .

 

[kwick]

Did you get the B-727 type as an Eastern scab .
I think I asked before and never got an answer .

No.

Do you still beat your wife?

If you fly a plane with the name "Delta"
on the side you should be on the Delta seniority
list and getting Delta pay. Otherwise, you
like Bubba are undercutting the profession.

I answered your question. Here's mine.

When someone asks you where you work,
have you ever said "Delta?" Be honest now.

 

[kwick]

Geeez Bubba, your real mean online!

Bubba, you have it backwards, as usual.

You took their jobs, they didn't take yours.

If AA bought SW tomorrow, I'm sure they
could justify bumping you back to 737
FO in LGA. But would that be fair?

Laws have been written to avoid the
abuses that have occurred in past SLI's.

Why not follow the law and allow a neutral
party to help decide, rather than hiring
some dirt-bag, Texas attorney to find some loophole , to circumvent
the law and screw your fellow pilots.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba, you have it backwards, as usual.

You took their jobs, they didn't take yours.

I took nobody's job, dumbass. I got hired by a company, worked there for many years, and when I had enough time there to be senior enough to upgrade, I did. If someone crossed a picket line while my union was on strike, then yes, they would be a scab who took a job. If you seriously don't get that, then you really don't know shi1t about unions, do you?

If AA bought SW tomorrow, I'm sure they
could justify bumping you back to 737
FO in LGA. But would that be fair?

Laws have been written to avoid the
abuses that have occurred in past SLI's.

Why not follow the law and allow a neutral
party to help decide, rather than hiring
some dirt-bag, Texas attorney to find some loophole , to circumvent
the law and screw your fellow pilots.

As usual, nothing but BS, and more refusal to actually answer my actual questions. "Blah, blah, blah, I made captain here in four years; I should be a captain at any airline!" That's basically all you can repeat.

And then when that doesn't work, you up the ante with wild-ass claims like "You're a scab!", "You took people's jobs!", which are all not only untrue, but complete crap.

Unlike you, I'll actually answer your question (or maybe it's an accusation; I can't tell):

If I had made captain in a few short years at a small airline, and then it was bought by a American Airlines, then no, Kwick, I wouldn't expect to automatically be a captain at American, ahead of pilots there with many more years of service, who weren't senior enough to be captains there. What I would expect, is to have a job there, and for my service to count for something. If my fair place on the seniority list qualified me to be a captain, then I would expect to be one. If not, I wouldn't whine--like a bitch--for years afterward, accusing other pilots of being scabs. That's what I wouldn't do.

Tell you what sport, answer these two questions, and you might be taken seriously. I really would like to know what you think about these specific things, and something more than just, "because that's what I want":

1. Why does 4 years' AirTran service derserve a SWA captain seat when Southwest pilots with less than 10 years' Southwest service didn't rate one?

2. If you were a 9-year, senior FO at your major airline (say AirTran), hoping to make captain in the next year or two, and your company bought a tiny startup, would you want or expect that company's 1-year captains to get the AirTran captain seat you wanted, while you still didn't get one with your 9 years' service? You know, because they already were captains and all. Would that be okay with you?

And here's something else for you to think about: If our SLI had been decided by an arbitrator, then the only thing he would have decided was a list. Period. That's it. That's all he would have decided.

He wouldn't decide who gets a captain seat, nor who gets what payscale, but strictly what order pilot's seniority numbers appear on a list. That's all he would have been tasked to do in a single category case like ours. That means that even if he had given you straight date-of-hire, you still wouldn't be senior enough to be a captain here. He decides seniority alone. Don't you get that?

Answer the 2 questions. Or don't. Continue whining and whining, dodging and evading, and pretending that you got screwed and the rest of the world is on your side. Or better yet, grow up and get over it. Maybe someday, when you have more experience (airline and union) and maturity, you'll be able to upgrade here.

Bubba

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

What happened to F9 closing?

 

[SWA Bubba]

What happened to F9 closing?

It didn't. Apparently the reported rumor turned out to not be true.

Bubba

 

[outerlimits]

No.

Do you still beat your wife?

If you fly a plane with the name "Delta"
on the side you should be on the Delta seniority
list and getting Delta pay. Otherwise, you
like Bubba are undercutting the profession.

I answered your question. Here's mine.

When someone asks you where you work,
have you ever said "Delta?" Be honest now.

Of course I say Delta

Everything said Delta.


Delta gave me the flying. They did not want it. GL still says its flying he does not want to do .

I have been in the JS of SWA aircraft and the pilots say the same thing
(ITS NOT FLYING THEY WANT TO DO )

Well. It a job . You guys don't even want the flying .Don't bitch when I am flying it . You gave it up in your contract

Only time is not Delta is if there is an incident .


Look no further than Colgsn airways crash in BUF.



As far as a wife . I do not want one,nor do I ever . They seem to cost way to much. It is Much better to rent.

 

[maru657]

Bubba just dose'nt get it. His corporation and "so called" Union have re-written the rules but of course, want cooperation from other unions and pilot groups. I doubt they'll get much help.