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SIG600 said:
He interviewed with Korean. Came home and said "not a chance in hell I'm working there."
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Everybody that fails an interview says the same thing....!

Because if you want to say that he preferred to be out of currency vs taking any job while trying to get a better gig I have to raise the BS flag on that one..., we have a 90 day shelf life, after that it's very difficult to be marketable
And without a degree to boot?
 
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bafanguy said:
DP,

Would age or being well out of currency be an obstacle for someone in this guy's position ?
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Age? Well, there are some jobs that have limits on them and others that take guys over 60, it all depends..., now out of currency? Very tough! In the international market within 6 months is the line in the sand
 
Dumb Pilot said:
Age? Well, there are some jobs that have limits on them and others that take guys over 60, it all depends..., now out of currency? Very tough! In the international market within 6 months is the line in the sand
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DP,

Thanks for the info. I admit my view from the sidelines is blurry.

It seems the Chinese carriers post age limits in the early to mid 50s. I guess that's more influenced by government mandate than operational factors ?

As for currency, 6 mos out of currency isn't all THAT much (heck, 2+ years isn't all that much for an experienced pilot). So, a guy's marketability drops after 6 mos...but these carriers all claim to be experiencing this big "PILOT SHORTAGE". Yet they're blocking their own access to a segment of whatever the available market supply is.

They seem to have an odd way of reacting to this shortage...and all these airlines are operating just fine ?
 
Our logic is not their logic..., we can try to analyze their policies all we want but at the end it is their policy and they won't change it..., on the international market you look for a job while employed or recently unemployed..., after six months you don't exist.
 
Dumb Pilot said:
Our logic is not their logic..., we can try to analyze their policies all we want but at the end it is their policy and they won't change it...
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:D No dispute there.

But it's valuable info to understand how they think and operate.
 
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They all say -College Prefered- so that there is always a way to get the chief pilots kid hired.
 
Bobby Orr 4 said:
Good move.

I do not know why SWA would be anyone's first choice as a new hire.

-Stagnant seniority list. Not any hull growth in sight.
-Contract quickly falling behind Delta, AA, United
-CEO who's legacy will be transforming SWA into a Legacy airline
-Low retirement rate compared to the above mentioned airlines.
-have to pay $7000 for a type rating to qualify for a less desirable job.

I think these are the reason Flight Ops changed the policy. I know and respect Craig but the reasons he stated was way down the list.
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I wonder if having 'no shows' for class in 2014 moved the needle slightly ? No matter what your views are; getting a class date at SWA was statistically difficult and in the past the pilots hired were not really the type (no pun intended) to just not show up. It seems bizarre, rude and bridge burning - however it's happened.
 
Dumb Pilot said:
Everybody that fails an interview says the same thing....!

Because if you want to say that he preferred to be out of currency vs taking any job while trying to get a better gig I have to raise the BS flag on that one..., we have a 90 day shelf life, after that it's very difficult to be marketable
And without a degree to boot?
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He had the job offer in writing.

Sidenote KAL, ANA, JAL and Asiana are on quite a few US Companies "do not fly on" lists.
 
canyonblue said:
Possibly, we already have many pilots without it. :rolleyes:
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Really? Not sure where you would have gotten them. Both AirTran and SWA required it.

BTW, how many years will I have to be "retired" before you finally get tired of my wonderful quote in your signature? ;)
 
SIG600 said:
He had the job offer in writing.

Sidenote KAL, ANA, JAL and Asiana are on quite a few US Companies "do not fly on" lists.
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I'm sure he said that, that is what they always say....!

About your claims..., prove it..! Show me evidence of any company that has All Nippon Airways on any do not fly list...!
 
Many "non approved airlines" for US corporations have more to do with rebooking and other operational considerations - not a matter of safety. A manager from AMEX in PHX once told me they're not to book a certain airline due to their insistance to not rebook pax OAL when operations are interrupted.
 
PCL_128 said:
Really? Not sure where you would have gotten them. Both AirTran and SWA required it.
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Then I was given misinformation from some former AT guys.

BTW, how many years will I have to be "retired" before you finally get tired of my wonderful quote in your signature? ;)
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It truly was prophetic. However, I wouldn't exactly say you guys didn't do well in an acquisition. You were a former Union rabble-rouser, you know anything that has over a 51% yes vote means you gave away too much.
 
You got more than you deserved.
 
Airtran mins circa 2006/7:

Qualifications
  • Fixed wing flight time - 2500 hours
  • Multi-engine, fixed wing flight time - 1000 hours
  • 121 PIC or military equivalent - 500 hours
  • An ATP certificate, or successful completion of the ATP written exam
  • Current First Class Medical certificate
  • Valid passport
  • Legally eligible for employment in the United States
  • Free of felony convictions within the most recent 10 years
 
redflyer65 said:
Huge payraises for all!!!












Except for the RSW guys...
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Except for the RSW guys that got the immediate upgrade as per the "captured" (re-SC) Airtran captain seats.

Fixed it for ya
 
Flyer1015 said:
Airtran mins circa 2006/7:

Qualifications
  • Fixed wing flight time - 2500 hours
  • Multi-engine, fixed wing flight time - 1000 hours
  • 121 PIC or military equivalent - 500 hours
  • An ATP certificate, or successful completion of the ATP written exam
  • Current First Class Medical certificate
  • Valid passport
  • Legally eligible for employment in the United States
  • Free of felony convictions within the most recent 10 years
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Notice nothing about that college degree thing
 
AirTran never required a college degree, although it was preferred and few got hired without it. Towards the end when the computer was selecting people for interviews, I don't believe you could get called without it, because too many points were assigned for it.
 
freightdogfred said:
Except for the RSW guys that got the immediate upgrade as per the "captured" (re-SC) Airtran captain seats.

Fixed it for ya
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You don't mean the 717 Captain seats that never came over, do you? Yeah, that was awesome. :rolleyes:
 
canyonblue said:
You don't mean the 717 Captain seats that never came over, do you? Yeah, that was awesome. :rolleyes:
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No, the 737 captain seats that DID come over. I guess Gary's decision to park 32 revenue producing jets in the desert had something to do with SWAPA's insistence on capturing ALL captain seats, instead of allowing them to keep flying with Real Airtran Captains. The point of the thread is that pinhead Redklown's insistence that all Real Airtran guys got a payraise-it just isn't true no matter how many times he repeats it to himself. W-2's don't lie. It's also true that although not all the Airtran aircraft came over, a bunch did-resulting in immediate upgrades of captured Captain seats as promised to you by SC. These are simple facts no matter how he or you try to spin it. The good news is ALL upgrades from now to the foreseeable future are going to be Real Airtran guys, as it should be. One luv, brutha
 
I went from $178./hr to $155./hr

Anyone that doesn't get that- doesn't want to get it.

Not bitching, just stating the facts.

I also lost my on-line commute, and get to spend a couple of more days each month in a commuter hotel.

Not b!tching, just stating the facts.

What did we get? A more financially secure company, a better work environment, sort of like AirTran was around 2003, when the Contract had amendable for 2 years.

Hard to say for sure which way this one will go.
 
When do you upgrade Ty? $218/hr is right around the corner maybe..

178/hr at AirTran? You know that starting point was altered right? The original number was $152/hr.

I won't upgrade ONE day earlier with this deal. The only guys that did well on the agreement were the guys who upgraded. Maybe 600 guys out of 6300?
 

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