SWA Removes B737 Type Requirment

[PCL_128]

Thanks God I got out. If I had to listen to that BS for the next thirty years, I'd blow my brains out.

 

[redflyer65]

Thank God indeed.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yes because adding 8 more bases to include what you already had is a horrible thing? Yes some got kicked out of their 1 main base but it is growing and a lot are getting back in.

How many hundreds don't have to commute to your ONE main base because they now have 8 additional bases to go to? I will happily put your numbers on how many were commuting to ATL that are now living in a base or a lot closer to a base vs. those who are now displaced out of a base and considering that ATL is growing I bet all those that want ATL will be there soon.

Now with the MASSIVE raises that the vast majority of the AT pilots got since the SW purchase should ease the pain of the initial displacement of those that were harmed on the AT side. On the SW side those that were displaced and cannot return to their base because of the acquisition got ZERO to help the medicine go down.

So, please stop playing the victim as the vast majority of the people at AT benefited from having more bases to choose from.

Dude, wake the hell up. You only need to look at the ATL FO sniority list versus any other base to see how many pilots obviously did NOT benefit from having other bases to be forced to commute to. There are former Captains who can't get into their home domicile as FO. Sorry someone peed in your Cheerios, too.

Ps, I'm making $30.00 less per hour since transitioning, while commuting to a much further base. How much less are you making, and how has YOUR commute and pay changed? I've been pretty happy as an FO, but it's guys like you that remind me of how much less I'm making that make me consider putting in for Lance. Shut the hell up, already, fool.

 

[freightdogfred]

On the SW side those that were displaced and cannot return to their base because of the acquisition got ZERO to help the medicine go down.

I'm at a loss to see how anyone from SW was displaced, and cannot return to their base. There was no "bump and flush". There is no displacement bid. AT pilots were only allowed in to domiciles with openings. How could any SW pilot possibly get displaced?

 

[bluesideup1]

I'm at a loss to see how anyone from SW was displaced, and cannot return to their base. There was no "bump and flush". There is no displacement bid. AT pilots were only allowed in to domiciles with openings. How could any SW pilot possibly get displaced?

The fact that you are at a loss to see how anyone could have been displaced and cannot return to their base just shows how little you have been following what has been going on. Let me help you out on how those that are still waiting to get back to MCO got kicked out in the first place. Base shrinks a little they got displaced and with only real senior AT people coming in they cannot get back.

 

[bluesideup1]

Dude, wake the hell up. You only need to look at the ATL FO sniority list versus any other base to see how many pilots obviously did NOT benefit from having other bases to be forced to commute to. There are former Captains who can't get into their home domicile as FO. Sorry someone peed in your Cheerios, too.

Ps, I'm making $30.00 less per hour since transitioning, while commuting to a much further base. How much less are you making, and how has YOUR commute and pay changed? I've been pretty happy as an FO, but it's guys like you that remind me of how much less I'm making that make me consider putting in for Lance. Shut the hell up, already, fool.

Your making 30,000 less a year while 70% of your seniority list is making a lot more.

Your making more than before the acquisition right? Are you going to make a lot more over your career at SW than you would at AT? Considering most will make over a MILLION MORE over their career here than at AT you can see how I have little room for cry babies when it comes to talking about money.

Yes please enlighten me on how many are now not commuting vs how many are currently displaced. Like I said ATL is expanding and they will be back soon while the vast majority of your workforce got large raises the SW pilots got NOTHING. Once again please STFU as some did get screwed but the vast majority made out much better.

Oh and BTW it is done you need to move on. I guess just like PLC who has no life and comes back to threads that have nothing to do with him any more.

 

[freightdogfred]

Real easy base shrinks a little they got displaced and with only real senior AT people coming in they cannot get back.

So they were displaced due to base shrinkage. And then couldn't get back in due to more senior people bidding in. And these people were 100% Airtran. How many people are we talking here? Which base shrank, by how many, and when? I'm really curious.

 

[freightdogfred]

The fact that you are at a loss to see how anyone could have been displaced and cannot return to their base just shows how little you have been following what has been going on. Let me help you out on how those that are still waiting to get back to MCO got kicked out in the first place. Base shrinks a little they got displaced and with only real senior AT people coming in they cannot get back.

Enlighten me. Exactly how many were displaced? Cause I'll tell ya how many were displaced from Atlanta. About 1500. The fact they were displaced from MCO has nothing to do with Airtran guys, by your own admission it was normal seasonal base shrinkage. We're talking pretty junior guys I'm thinking, and a handful at best. It sucks to be junior, but they were the bottom of the heap with or without the integration and may or may not have gotten back even with no integration. By your angst over it I'm guessing you were one of them. The good news is that bakery near the airport in OAK sells really good sourdough bread.

 

[Oh-ryan]

I heard you still need the B737 type to get hired into ATL.

 

[freightdogfred]

I heard you still need the B737 type to get hired into ATL.

?????

They give em away free now, didn't you get the memo? Don't even need to be a lotto winner

 

[Ty Webb]

Your making more than before the acquisition, right?

If it makes you feel more empowered to call it an "acquisition", rock on, sister. Look around you, though, sure looks like a merger happened. :laugh:

Thanks for asking, but, no, I'm making less. While I would like to thank you personally for the higher rates we got after the DoCC, I can't really thank you for those rates in good conscience, since we had already rejected them previously in a failed TA. Gary didn't slip those rates to Fornaro on the back of a cocktail napkin.

Are you going to make a lot more over your career at SW than you would at AT? Considering most will make over a MILLION MORE over their career here than at AT you can see how I have little room for cry babies when it comes to talking about money.

Who knows how much or how little I would have made? Maybe Delta would have bought us, maybe Republic, who know, and who cares? As for crybabies, you're the one who started the poo flinging, and you seem to be the one who wants to keep the bitchferst going.

Yes please enlighten me on how many are now not commuting vs how many are currently displaced. Like I said ATL is expanding and they will be back soon while the vast majority of your workforce got large raises the SW pilots got NOTHING. Once again please STFU as some did get screwed but the vast majority made out much better.

Hey, man, like you said, ATL is expanding. Maybe you can get into that base. They'll love you there. :laugh:

Oh and BTW it is done you need to move on. I guess just like PLC who has no life and comes back to threads that have nothing to do with him any more.

Re-read what I wrote-

"I've been pretty happy as an FO, but it's guys like you that remind me of how much less I'm making . . . ".

I guess it's not too late to change my domicile bid for May to MCO. It won't improve my commute, but it will give you something to bitch about.

:laugh:

 

[Tripower455]

I guess it's not too late to change my domicile bid for May to MCO. It won't improve my commute, but it will give you something to bitch about.

:laugh:

Don't do it! You might get stuck flying with me!

 

[Ty Webb]

Don't do it! You might get stuck flying with me!

Well, so far, I have yet to fly with anyone I wouldn't want to fly with again.

I would hate to break that streak!

Seriously, I think most of us have come to the conclusion that from here on out, it's what you decide to make of it. I enjoy what I'm doing. It'd be a real shame to make yourself miserable for the next 20 years, but some people seem determined to do just that.

Regds,
TW

PS, I do plan to move back to Tampa in 2020, but by then, I'll be a Capt and you'll be flying the widebody.

 

[Tripower455]

Well, so far, I have yet to fly with anyone I wouldn't want to fly with again.

I would hate to break that streak!

Seriously, I think most of us have come to the conclusion that from here on out, it's what you decide to make of it. I enjoy what I'm doing. It's be a real shame to make yourself miserable for the next 20 years, but some people seem determined to do just that.

Regds,
TW

Ditto.

The vast majority of FOs I've flown with in the last year or so have been AT folks.

With one exception, all have been awesome to work with, and even the "exception" wasn't that bad.

In spite of the awesome "gains" I've garnered, if I had the power to make the entire acquisition/merger/SLI disappear, I would.

The one regret I'd have is not being able to work with some of the AT folks, as I've truly enjoyed working with most of them.

 

[27 driver]

You know PCL, at this point I don't even care that much...except when 27 Driver says it wasn't a doubling of salary.

When it was 131/hr (SW) vs. 72/hr (AirTran).

That's an increase of over 80% (I'll concede that's not quite a double). There were plenty that made out on the new payrates vs. what they were getting paid.

I will completely agree with you that AirTran should have been paid more and you guys were working hard toward that goal but you have to also realize that some did very well with this purchase. Others, not so much.

27, you going to chime in? Otherwise I'm done with the deadhorse.

I can honestly say I didn't double my pay or get a 80% raise. You can say it a million times Red but that doesn't make it true.

 

[HowardBorden]

Seriously, I think most of us have come to the conclusion that from here on out, it's what you decide to make of it. I enjoy what I'm doing. It'd be a real shame to make yourself miserable for the next 20 years, but some people seem determined to do just that.

^^^^^THIS!!^^^^^

It's not a bad place to work, move on with your life. I stopped worrying about the things I couldn't change long ago.

 

[27 driver]

^^^^^THIS!!^^^^^

It's not a bad place to work, move on with your life. I stopped worrying about the things I couldn't change long ago.

I agree. It's just the Utopia Red thinks it is.

 

[redflyer65]

I agree. It's just the Utopia Red thinks it is.

I don't think I've ever said it was 'utopia' 27. It works for me.

It is what you make it, just like Howard said (and Ty for that matter). I like the fact that you can make a ton of coin if you want to work hard, or coast if you don't.

 

[27 driver]

I don't think I've ever said it was 'utopia' 27. It works for me.

It is what you make it, just like Howard said (and Ty for that matter). I like the fact that you can make a ton of coin if you want to work hard, or coast if you don't.

That's something we can agree on Red. It's just not the windfall you claim it to be. I work more days and have a ********************-ton more expenses for a small raise. Like TY I have enjoyed my short stay here.

 

[redflyer65]

27,

It may not be a 'windfall' for many...but some, yes...some no. It depends on each individual circumstance.

Most FO's are making a lot more cash (you guys topped out at 79/hr). Do they have to commute for it? It depends on where they live. Junior AirTran FO in Chicago? He's driving to work and making 80% more.

Former AirTran ATL Captain? He might be commuting to another base and waiting to get back in the left seat. He lost some pay, but will make substantially more in the long run. At least 1 Million more for his career. No way AirTran was getting close to SW pay in negotiations. That may not even include Profit Sharing.

There are too many scenarios to paint with too broad a brush, but many AirTran guys are making more than they every would have at AirTran.

Thanks for saying you're enjoying things so far. I honestly hope that's the case for your career at Southwest. 98% of the guys here are awesome. We too have our 2%. They stick out so much it won't take long to figure it out!

Welcome aboard. Thanks for not bringing PCL.

 

[27 driver]

27,

It may not be a 'windfall' for many...but some, yes...some no. It depends on each individual circumstance.

Most FO's are making a lot more cash (you guys topped out at 79/hr). Do they have to commute for it? It depends on where they live. Junior AirTran FO in Chicago? He's driving to work and making 80% more.

Former AirTran ATL Captain? He might be commuting to another base and waiting to get back in the left seat. He lost some pay, but will make substantially more in the long run. At least 1 Million more for his career. No way AirTran was getting close to SW pay in negotiations. That may not even include Profit Sharing.


There are too many scenarios to paint with too broad a brush, but many AirTran guys are making more than they every would have at AirTran.

Thanks for saying you're enjoying things so far. I honestly hope that's the case for your career at Southwest. 98% of the guys here are awesome. We too have our 2%. They stick out so much it won't take long to figure it out!

Welcome aboard. Thanks for not bringing PCL.

I haven't experienced the 2% yet. Everyone has been extremely nice and fun to fly with. Even the slam clickers. I was a junior fo at the tran. I drove to work. I now commute, spend more days on the road, pay for parking at 2 airports and hotels at base. Believe it or not it's a small raise for a lot more time away from home. I agree its a good place to work but..........It's not the same for all.

 

[freightdogfred]

Southwest is a great place to work- we all agree on that

When Redclown spouts off on all the raises we got he's talkin out of his ass as usual- we all agree on on that

Since we're all in agreement, let's move on to the next subject-can I get an amen?

 

[redflyer65]

Southwest is a great place to work- we all agree on that

When Redclown spouts off on all the raises we got he's talkin out of his ass as usual- we all agree on on that

Since we're all in agreement, let's move on to the next subject-can I get an amen?

I'm sorry your ego get's the best of you Freight.

Hopefully your wife still loves you even though your not a Captain anymore. It must be horrible.

....yea, let's move on.

 

[ron burgundy]

Coolest thing...
I woke up this morning,got out of bed to start the day. My legs worked and I went about my day. Count your blessings and quit over thinking all of this! PLZ! You/we have no control (ultimate scheme of things) on how our lives will eventually work out..

 

[pilotyip]

Coolest thing...
I woke up this morning,got out of bed to start the day. My legs worked and I went about my day. Count your blessings and quit over thinking all of this! PLZ! You/we have no control (ultimate scheme of things) on how our lives will eventually work out..

Well said, there is so much in life we have no control over, to let these upset you is just not worth it.

 

[-9Capt]

27,

It may not be a 'windfall' for many...but some, yes...some no. It depends on each individual circumstance.

He's driving to work and making 80% more.

Former AirTran ATL Captain? He might be commuting to another base and waiting to get back in the left seat. He lost some pay, but will make substantially more in the long run. At least 1 Million more for his career. No way AirTran was getting close to SW pay in negotiations. That may not even include Profit Sharing.

.

speculation and BS...but that's nothing new for you.

 

[bluesideup1]

speculation and BS...but that's nothing new for you.

Please post the speculation part.

 

[redflyer65]

speculation and BS...but that's nothing new for you.

How's this for speculation.....

I have NEVER....yes never, heard of one Tranny complain about their new paycheck. Not pilot or FA. Huge difference my friend, and they know it. That's why they keep their piehole closed while out on line. Those are facts.


AirTran FO's went from 79/hr to around 120-150/hr.
AirTran CA's went from 152/hr to 152.76/hr senior FO rate...then (if senior enough) will bid back to the left seat making 217/hr.

Those are the facts as well -9 Capt. Cry me a river.

The only Airtan guys that are really pissed are those guys that were the most junior CA's. I get that. It's over. Hold on to that anger as long as you need. Southwest will enhance the career earnings of every AirTran pilot vs. where you were headed....by far. If you don't understand that, then maybe it would be best to seek counseling.

 

[PCL_128]

What an a$shole.

 

[bluesideup1]

What an a$shole.

Once again the wit that is to be expected from those who cannot use big boy words to refute any of the facts laid at their feet.