And the Easties are getting even more desperate...

[General Lee]

And a response from the Easties about the AA SLI....

From an APC thread, a response from the Easties about the AWA guys getting a seat at the AA SLI...... Wow! This is getting good.



"Merger Committee Update


Over the past week, the Merger Committee and counsel have carefully reviewed the decision in the Preliminary Arbitration which directed APA to create a separate merger committee for former America West pilots.

We are obviously disappointed with the decision. It failed to address the important arguments we presented concerning the proper interpretation of the McCaskill-Bond Amendment and the binding effect of the January 2014 decision of the United States District Court in Arizona in Addington II. Indeed, the Preliminary Arbitration decision fails to analyze the language of McCaskill-Bond at all. Moreover, the Preliminary Arbitration decision, without any reasoning, relied upon statements by the Arizona District Court that are clearly ?dicta? and which the Addington Plaintiffs have conceded are without legal effect. The Preliminary Arbitration decision was wrong on a number of other points as well.
The only matter decided by the Preliminary Arbitration, however, was whether there would be an APA Committee created to represent the former America West pilots. Neither the decision in the Preliminary Arbitration nor any part of the evidence or proceedings in the Preliminary Arbitration is admissible in the SLI proceeding.

Litigation is always an option to protect the rights of our pilots, and the Committee will not hesitate to pursue appropriate claims if the Committee determines such action is necessary. In the judgment of the Merger Committee and its counsel, litigation concerning the Preliminary Arbitration decision is not necessary at this time to protect the rights of our pilots. The Merger Committee and counsel will continue to review and evaluate matters as they progress, always with the purpose of protecting the interests of the US Airways pilots.

At the hearing in the Preliminary Arbitration and in subsequent communications, the former America West pilots have indicated their seeming intention to predicate their proposal for integrating seniority based on an ?updated Nicolau list." We do not believe such a proposal is consistent with the RLA status quo at US Airways, with McCaskill-Bond, with the MOU or the Protocol Agreement or with the decisions of the United States District Court in Arizona. Nor do we believe such a proposal is in the best interests of US Airways pilots. The APA America West Merger Committee is free to make whatever proposal it wants, but whatever it proposes is just that ? a proposal ? nothing more. We are fully prepared to oppose any proposal that attempts to integrate the pilots of the New American Airlines in any manner that is not fair and equitable.

The Merger Committee will continue its work to certify the seniority lists at American and US Airways. We anticipate discussing various issues with the APA Committees, finalizing the schedule for the SLI hearings and preparing for those hearings. The Company is still in the process of producing information requested by APA?s American Airlines Pilots Seniority Integration Committee (the ?AA PSIC?) and by the USAPA Merger Committee. The certification process cannot be completed without this information as well as the agreement of the new APA America West Committee.

We will continue to keep you informed of our efforts and the process.
USAPA Merger Committee"





I don't think USAPA exists anymore, right?



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Referencing a "binding effect of... the decision." It's just so rich with irony - you may need an antacid.

 

[St. Nic]

The west was given a charity seat at the table with the big boys. To shut them up. Nic is dead. Every body knows it except the Westicles. Shame they are going to be smothered by the APA and USAPa.

 

[JetMonkey]

The west was given a charity seat at the table with the big boys. To shut them up. Nic is dead. Every body knows it except the Westicles. Shame they are going to be smothered by the APA and USAPa.

You call the former USAir east operation as "big boy"? That's rich, considering all W/B's delivered after 2005 were supposed to be 1/2 crewed by west pilots.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I bet the arbitrators know that Nic isn't dead. In fact the 1st A350WB (for West Bird I'm told) is supposed to be dedicated The Spirit of George Nicolau.

Nic, since your duties include waxing Kirby's Porsche, does the license plate really read LOA93? He owes you so much, yet you'll always owe him more.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

The Troll general should be able to go over 21K posts on tis subject alone, he is an expert on all things that spell trouble and how to solve them.
SWA bashing can have a rest now

 

[ricj41]

Can anyone explain why these new arbitrators would throw a fellow arbitrator under the bus and not use the Nic award when they combine the 2 carriers? The idea that they would completely throw out an already arbitrated list would be precedent setting. Opening up all cans of worms. It would basically make the arbitration process meaningless.

 

[General Lee]

Can anyone explain why these new arbitrators would throw a fellow arbitrator under the bus and not use the Nic award when they combine the 2 carriers? The idea that they would completely throw out an already arbitrated list would be precedent setting. Opening up all cans of worms. It would basically make the arbitration process meaningless.

Exxxxxcactly..... Why allow another group (Eastie wannabes) to do the same thing to one of their future awards? Allowing that would undermine the arbitrators' powers, and affect their own job security. Plus, they all probably know Nicolau himself personally. When you sign on the bottom line, they expect you to follow the award.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dornier 335]

Why do you keep bringing threads/topics from APC over here?

 

[DCAA320]

Can anyone explain why these new arbitrators would throw a fellow arbitrator under the bus and not use the Nic award when they combine the 2 carriers? The idea that they would completely throw out an already arbitrated list would be precedent setting. Opening up all cans of worms. It would basically make the arbitration process meaningless.

Well more recent arbitrators have deviated from nic's formula.

 

[General Lee]

Why do you keep bringing threads/topics from APC over here?

To see your reactions. Not only is it humorous, but it's going to be fantastic when the Westies get what they deserve and you guys suck it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Data]

Having to quote from APC for an FI thread to boost your post count? That's as bad as the "I made $7000 a week on the Googles" ads. GL, the d0uche that killed FI, good job putz!

 

[General Lee]

Having to quote from APC for an FI thread to boost your post count? That's as bad as the "I made $7000 a week on the Googles" ads. GL, the d0uche that killed FI, good job putz!

Since guys like you can't bring up good aviation subjects, I have to occasionally go to APC to find interesting topics. This one was a doozy, and still you couldn't provide a comment on the subject. I'm not surprised though, you are a complete idiot.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

GL, the ****************************** that killed FI, good job putz!

Yeah something to really proud of Jenny. FI is so dead thanks to your "heinyness".

Cue the Vietnam crap.....

 

[Data]

Since guys like you can't bring up good aviation subjects...


Bye Bye---General Lee

You sticking to 'good' subjects is what killed this place you f'ing moron. Very few of the even fewer pilots left here respect you, you have burned this place to the ground. You never talk about flying, you talk about people, you insult them and add an antagonist voice to what was once the best aviation chat board around. You're the idiot here bozo.

Imagine that, a real Delta pilot posing anonymously on a web board to the tune of 20,000+ posts, a Delta pilot who spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 minutes (just a wag at 2.5 minutes per post) posing anonymously. That's right, I can't imagine that either. If you really are a Delta pilot, you give Delta and the pilots a bad name. Yeah, I'm the idiot.

 

[Dornier 335]

To see your reactions. Not only is it humorous, but it's going to be fantastic when the Westies get what they deserve and you guys suck it.

Bye Bye---General Lee

I wonder how APC would react if they knew that you blatantly copy their content and bring it over here. Why don't you post over there?

What do the Westies deserve? What do the Third Listers deserve? What do I deserve? What do the ex-PA and WA drivers deserve? What does ex-DL Captain WOW deserve? Are you the definition of the truth, the Aviation Jesus? To have an opinion is one thing, but to ridicule others shows quite a bit more than "no class".

Are you a DL pilot?

 

[Green]

I wonder how APC would react if they knew that you blatantly copy their content and bring it over here. Why don't you post over there?

What do the Westies deserve? What do the Third Listers deserve? What do I deserve? What do the ex-PA and WA drivers deserve? What does ex-DL Captain WOW deserve? Are you the definition of the truth, the Aviation Jesus? To have an opinion is one thing, but to ridicule others shows quite a bit more than "no class".

Are you a DL pilot?

Do you have the authority to determine what's fair? Does General Lee? Obviously we all have our own bias. That's why we use something called arbitration to decide what is a fair and equitable outcome.

We had the NIC, which the easties decided was unfair. Then we had the recent preliminary arbitration which, once again, the Easties thought was unfair. Next we will have the SLI and I'm sure the Easties won't like that result either.

I obviously don't know how it will turn out but I doubt a team of arbitrators is going to discard a product from the country's top arbitrator at the time. As Judge Silver stated an arbitrated result is strong evidence of a fair result. Thankfully USAPA won't be able to weasel their way out of this one.

 

[Green]

Well more recent arbitrators have deviated from nic's formula.

Can you elaborate? US Airways was a dying airline. That was established in arbitration. As NIC stated all arbitrations turn on their own facts. UAL was infinitely more viable as a company than US Airways. To claim UAL furloughed pilots had little chance of imminent recall would be absurd. It was quite obvious to everyone in the industry that the 2,000 or so US Airways furloughees had little to no chance of being recalled or ever sitting in the left seat of an A330. As much as you want to change history the facts are all on record. Standby to be disappointed again.

 

[General Lee]

You sticking to 'good' subjects is what killed this place you f'ing moron. Very few of the even fewer pilots left here respect you, you have burned this place to the ground. You never talk about flying, you talk about people, you insult them and add an antagonist voice to what was once the best aviation chat board around. You're the idiot here bozo.

Imagine that, a real Delta pilot posing anonymously on a web board to the tune of 20,000+ posts, a Delta pilot who spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 minutes (just a wag at 2.5 minutes per post) posing anonymously. That's right, I can't imagine that either. If you really are a Delta pilot, you give Delta and the pilots a bad name. Yeah, I'm the idiot.

Wow, that's a great "wag" Benedict Cumberbach..... Were you a code breaker in WWII, also? You're a joke! A response to one of your silly posts takes 30 secs. One for Freturd, less than 15 secs.

And this is an anonymous board, who cares about where someone works? You can't tell anyway, it's "anonymous" you total idiot. Regardless, you still can't comprehend or debate any of the issues. What a waste. Yep, 30 seconds to respond to your krap.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Capi_Cafre']

Did an Eastwipe really say "binding?"