Fabulous FJ uniforms...

[BlueNose]

During his presentation he did not differentiate which pilot group the uniform was for. He just said this is our new uniform. So I would expect that the uniform is for both pilot groups, but if not both then at least the P300 pilots since they will be flying under the Flexjet brand.

In keeping with the announced branding strategy, what we've seen is the 'bespoke' uniform for the FJ crews. FO crews will get the 'value' version. No tie, open collar with (fake) gold rope necklace, slip-on mesh shoes w/ no socks. Still being researched if those pants can be obtained in a sans-a-belt version.

Wasn't making fun of the FJ guys, just trying to keep a sense of humor. If you work for the circus, shouldn't be a big surprise when they dress you in a clown suit. Best you can do is laugh about it.

 

[asdf]

BlueNose, I like your post about the FO crews getting the value uniform. That was pretty dang funny.

 

[z28b]

FO is getting the old uniforms from the Flex guys.

 

[The Architect]

Not

I would not be laughing at the Flex pilots since it won't be long before the Options pilots are wearing the same thing.

Didn't KR say that the FO Phenoms will be going to marketed as Flex aircraft.

The Flight Options pilot group has a CBA that protects them from wearing that thing:

9.1 Company Provided Uniform Articles and Accessories
The Company will issue a pilot the following uniform articles and accessories at the time of hire: two black pants...
9.2 Pilot Provided Uniform Articles and Accessories
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]The pilot shall be responsible for the following uniform articles and accessories: white dress pilot shirts with flap pockets and epaulette holders, black business shoes, black socks and a black belt.
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[The Architect]

No Matter

During his presentation he did not differentiate which pilot group the uniform was for. He just said this is our new uniform. So I would expect that the uniform is for both pilot groups, but if not both then at least the P300 pilots since they will be flying under the Flexjet brand.

Nope. The Flight Options pilot group can fly the Phenoms no matter how they are marketed. Not a CBA violation. Phenoms flown by Flight Options pilots on Flight Options Certificate and under the CBA.

So, the uniform provision of the CBA applies. Marketing/Brand doesn't matter. Flight Options pilot group won't be wearing those things thanks to the CBA.

Doesn't that employment agreement or the Flexjet uniform committee protect Flexjet pilots from wearing that thing?

 

[luckydog]

Lighten up Francis, it's a joke.

 

[warlord19]

Well now, I've finally found a descent reason to join the IBT. Mr. The(you can call me IBT) Architect must have had a chrystal ball when negotiating "black pants" in their last agreement. With that kind of negotiating skill set, there's no telling what he might extract from the next round of negotiations....maybe pre-tied ties, or perhaps white socks...nothing will surprise us.
Cheers

 

[The Architect]

Welcome Back

Well now, I've finally found a descent reason to join the IBT. Mr. The(you can call me IBT) Architect must have had a chrystal ball when negotiating "black pants" in their last agreement. With that kind of negotiating skill set, there's no telling what he might extract from the next round of negotiations....maybe pre-tied ties, or perhaps white socks...nothing will surprise us.
Cheers

Hi Warlord!!!!

Welcome back. Know you have been busy.

As far as the uniforms and the language in the Flight Options pilot group CBA, well... "Sometimes the little things make me smile."

Now get on script... Your job is getting harder.

And clip-on ties are awesome!

 

[shanes123]

Clip on ties are awesome. Architect what you are not realizing is flex had a committee discuss the uniform change. So they must have been the one that picked the style. After all that was the committees job wasn't it???

 

[SDCFI]

Clip on ties are awesome. Architect what you are not realizing is flex had a committee discuss the uniform change. So they must have been the one that picked the style. After all that was the committees job wasn't it???

You'd like to think so. While I hate the new uniform as much as the next guy (or gal), the fact is the uniform committee poll was to see if FJ pilots preferred an "airline style" uniform with wings, epaulets, and tie or a more casual polo and slacks type look. They also asked about basic color preferences, and I think black shoes were the favorite and grey shirts came in second to white. It wasn't meant to pick an exact uniform piece by piece, and while I don't think this is what people had in mind they overwhelmingly voted to keep the shirt and tie with epaulets, black pants and black shoes.

Personally I voted for polo and slacks so I don't have much sympathy for those who voted for shirt and tie and are now complaining about the style choices. I knew the whole thing was a sham to begin with and I really wanted the polo to win just so we could all watch the company backpedal and try to rationalize why we can't have that and are sticking with the tie getup.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

The Flight Options pilot group has a CBA that protects them from wearing that thing:

9.1 Company Provided Uniform Articles and Accessories
The Company will issue a pilot the following uniform articles and accessories at the time of hire: two black pants...
9.2 Pilot Provided Uniform Articles and Accessories
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]The pilot shall be responsible for the following uniform articles and accessories: white dress pilot shirts with flap pockets and epaulette holders, black business shoes, black socks and a black belt.
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You forgot the next section

9.3 Change in Uniform
The Company shall provide all pilots, at no expense, with replacement articles and accessories whenever there are changes to the uniform or accessories referred to in subsection 9.1.

I am sure you didn't intentionally forget to include this section.

So, all they would have to do if/when they change your uniform is provide you new pieces listed in your CBA.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

^ TWA He didn't forget the part - it's that it's not relevant. It's legalese, I know, but 9.1 addresses black pants & 9.2 addresses white shirts. So the changes in 9.3 refer to something like maybe a tie pattern change. Hope this helps. LS

 

[pcab]

OK, I have been monitoring this forum for years.....never posted anything on here, never felt the need. The sad thing is, this proposed uniform made me actually vent for the first time. What the .....is this guy thinking? I am proud to be a professional pilot and present myself accordingly, but this uniform is unprofessional looking, ridiculous and makes a mockery of the profession! No one that I have shown the pictures of the uniform likes them, no one that I know of that has shown the pictures to other individuals like it. Quite the contrary, they seriously find it laughable. What in the hell makes KR think that our owners will like it? Are they from a different planet with different tastes?
I also couldn't help noticing that the majority of the crews reaction to the uniform on yammer have been deleted! If this is the way it is going to be going forward and middle management is afraid to let KR see what the Flex group thinks of his ideas and feels the need to censor the individuals then the future does not look very promising for the open lines of communication I believe still exist between pilot group and management. The Blazer with the slanted bars...are you kidding me??? I dont even wanna go down this designated crew concept, what a can of worms this is going to open up.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

^ TWA He didn't forget the part - it's that it's not relevant. It's legalese, I know, but 9.1 addresses black pants & 9.2 addresses white shirts. So the changes in 9.3 refer to something like maybe a tie pattern change. Hope this helps. LS

It actually is relevant.

What about a pant pattern changed, like pin stripes? It addresses changes to the uniform or accessories. That sounds like they can change everything.

They can change the pants in 9.1 and the shirt in 9.2, they just have to provide them to the crewmembers.

Do you guys have some sort of uniform committee? I saw all kinds of committees listed in your contract, but not one for the uniform. I also didn't see anywhere in the CBA that says you have a say in changes to the uniform, just they have to provide the new items to you when it is changed.

 

[Praetorian]

You forgot the next section

9.3 Change in Uniform
The Company shall provide all pilots, at no expense, with replacement articles and accessories whenever there are changes to the uniform or accessories referred to in subsection 9.1.

I am sure you didn't intentionally forget to include this section.

So, all they would have to do if/when they change your uniform is provide you new pieces listed in your CBA.

Take a closer look at 9.3. You will notice it only references 9.1. This means that the items listed in 9.2 are off limits for the company to change.

Look, I know you would sing the company song, no matter what the tune, but in this case you should be rooting for the union. We know all the airplanes are going to eventually have same paint. It stands to reason that he also plans to dress all the pilots up in the same costumes. If the union can stop this embarrassment from being forced onto the FO pilots, it probably will not be forced on you guys either.

Unless you like the uniforms?

 

[Pattern-Master]

No need for airline style uniforms in the charter and fractional world. My company did away with the stupid airline costume last year and went with non wrinkle golf style polos and non wrinkle pants to go with it. Best thing that happened. Maintenance free uniforms are the way to go, besides charter and frac customers are not really looking for the whole airline experience thing anyway.

 

[slowtation capt]

The chevron bars are the best touch to the uniform.

 

[The Architect]

Slow Death

You forgot the next section

9.3 Change in Uniform
The Company shall provide all pilots, at no expense, with replacement articles and accessories whenever there are changes to the uniform or accessories referred to in subsection 9.1.

I am sure you didn't intentionally forget to include this section.

So, all they would have to do if/when they change your uniform is provide you new pieces listed in your CBA.

This is killing you, isn't it?

It must be frustrating to see things coming apart for you.

No, I didn't forget that provision. Because it did not seem relevant. You see at Flight Options a process exists if the union (pilots) feel that a violation of the CBA occurred. Unlike what happens at "at will" companies. The company can infringe on employees all they want without employees having any recourse. Like you are now experiencing at Flexjet.

So, about the uniform. No worries for the Flight Options pilot group. Information request was sent to the company. Grievance is ready. Change won't happen without agreement from the IBT or a defeat in an arbitration. That's the beauty of a CBA.

At Flexjet...Well, you better go down and get sized for that double-breasted jacket. Because it's coming like it or not.

 

[jetwash]

I showed the photo of the new uniform to a friend who is in the fashion industry. I asked him if he would wear it.

His reply to me was : " Hell no, I might be gay but I am not blind."

I think that summed it up nicely.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

TWA & I were wrong. Here was my error: Earlier this month, I started this thread & wrote about “silver pants & burgundy epaulets”. I probably remembered it wrong from my source, but since I’m the one who posted it, I’ve got to be the one who fesses up: I didn’t get the colors right.

Dimeline & Praetorian wrote more accurate color descriptions, as the pics prove, but they still weren’t 100% - as we know the readership of flightinfo demands. So as an act of penance, I turned to the authorities on color - Crayola, Behr, & a few others. Names like chartreuse, lavender, & fuchsia aren’t even close. The things I know about now! Anyways, here’s my chance at providing an accurate color palette.

Pants: Black with white pinstripes, they be so gangsta, I had to go with “Capone.” It sums up both the style & the colors.

Belt: I had a puppy once that would gorge itself on kibble, then go outside. What it left on the grass - that’s the exact shade. “Puppy Poop Tan.”

Shirt: More fun facts: Arsenic is a semi-metallic substance & steel, gray in color. “Arsenic Gray.”

Tie: “Princess Ivory.” (It’s a real color!)

There you have it.

Oh & where was TWA wrong? As FJ’s unofficial anti-union voice on flightinfo, he’s presented most of the arguments against organizing. He was the loudest. He was adamant that with DW & other former FJ managers at the top, FJ was still FJ.

Well now we know management has changed. In lawyer-speak, his whole case has fallen apart. In plain language – he was dead wrong. FJ is no longer FJ.