AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades

[Clyde Frog]

Starting in January it looks like my fellow ex-AirTran brothers will dominate the upgrades at SW for the first half of 2015, maybe longer. Good on them. After going through the most unfair seniority integration in history and getting pissed on for the last few years, having had their seniority stolen, having been lied to at every opportunity...at last...good news.

Way to go my senior brothers, I just wish more of you would've made the cut.

 

[bluesideup1]

Off the medication again today Clyde Frog? Last time I checked those that went to arbitration (Mechanics and I believe dispatchers) got worse deals than what the airtran pilots got. So, even the arbitrators think you got a fair deal. With 30-40% raises for over half of your pilot group as soon as they come over, another 30% raise for all of your pilots since you were bought, then all of those airtran captain upgrades coming in 2015 that you are crowing about get another 35% raise.

You want to know what the SW pilots got? A year of all airtran captain upgrades, zero raises and a lot of very young people coming in above me on the seniority list that every year causes me to lose more relative seniority to the point when I retire I am now 33 percent more junior than before the acquisition. Yet you don't see me bitching on the board every day at the raw deal I got so why don't you STFU and deal with it like a man.

 

[-9Capt]

I am now 33 percent more junior than before the acquisition.

That is a mathematical impossibility. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts"

There are numerous other factually incorrect statements in your diatribe as well, most of which involve percentages and upgrades.

Believe what you want, but if your side wasn't afraid of arbitration, the threats and ultimatums wouldn't have been necessary.

Clyde might be throwing bombs but he's right about one thing, I also think more AT pilots deserved to "make the cut"

 

[redflyer65]

There won't be a 'cut' if there aren't any vacancies. I wouldn't count my chickens just yet.

Just shows what a tool CF is more than anything.

 

[humveedriver]

In January I will be changing my vacancy bid to reflect line holder in all bases but HOU and DAL unless post OCT flight frequency to a junior domicile is promising. Something to be said for getting first choice in monthly bid and summer vacation. Plenty of FAT guys senior to me though who will get a line as a Cappy after Jan.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

There won't be a 'cut' if there aren't any vacancies. I wouldn't count my chickens just yet.

Just shows what a tool CF is more than anything.

Red, he's just pointing a bright spot for FL guys. 3 years into this, the light at the end of the tunnel may finally not be a train. But, you are right, we better not count our handful of scrawny, featherless, mal-nourished chickens yet to be hatched, yet.

 

[freightdogfred]

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[freightdogfred]

Youse guys are def in your own little world
Soon I will be there too
Is it a nice place?
pixie dust, unicorns, burple coolaid...the big rock candy mountain

 

[Clyde Frog]

Youse guys are def in your own little world

Exactly

Everyone seems to know that except them. I've never seen a group that operates in a bubble like they do.

 

[HowardBorden]

Starting in January it looks like my fellow ex-AirTran brothers will dominate the upgrades at SW for the first half of 2015, maybe longer.

Is this somehow news that you are just figuring out?

 

[madjack]

Last PC check air person said training not wowed by FAT pilots...gotta get thru upgrade and UOE with that bias??? I'd personally fly SWA FO for a while and get some of the AT stank off...hey but it's your license...

 

[freightdogfred]

Last PC check air person said training not wowed by FAT pilots...gotta get thru upgrade and UOE with that bias??? I'd personally fly SWA FO for a while and get some of the AT stank off...hey but it's your license...

That's my plan...Since you're in the know, with the check air person an all what's seems to be the problem with all these guys?

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Last PC check air person said training not wowed by FAT pilots...gotta get thru upgrade and UOE with that bias??? I'd personally fly SWA FO for a while and get some of the AT stank off...hey but it's your license...

Of course they're not wowed, the majority never had any intention of working there, never bought their type rating, and had to learn the '73 on their own. What were they expecting?

 

[FlyinGuy]

Still love the"never wanted to work there" whine. Who flipping cares!! Your company got bought. Ask a UAL guy if he wanted to work at Home Depot and I'll bet he will tell you that was not his plan. Guess what, I don't want to work at AA. If they bought us, I would have two choices and no one cares which I choose.

 

[freightdogfred]

Of course they're not wowed, the majority never had any intention of working there, never bought their type rating, and had to learn the '73 on their own. What were they expecting?

good points

 

[scoreboardII]

Playing right into Randy Babbits hand...

 

[Cubs in '05]

THIS ^^^ is what is important now. None of us can control what has happened nor did we really have any in the first place. Can we stop bitching and unite? We all will be under whatever new contract we vote in. Stop complaining about what we can't control and let's be the unified group that the company fears and isn't expecting. The feeling sorry for yourself bull******************** is tired.

 

[freightdogfred]

After the way things went down does anyone really expect to see a unified group?

 

[bluesideup1]

That is a mathematical impossibility. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts"

There are numerous other factually incorrect statements in your diatribe as well, most of which involve percentages and upgrades.

Believe what you want, but if your side wasn't afraid of arbitration, the threats and ultimatums wouldn't have been necessary.

Clyde might be throwing bombs but he's right about one thing, I also think more AT pilots deserved to "make the cut"

Ok you do the math and see if I am wrong here. I was going to retire at number 33 on the list before the acquisition. I am now going to retire at number 84.

Taking into account that the combined airline is larger should allow the same percentage increase in the pilot list to go ahead of me to the tune of 9.9 on my retirement day I should be retiring at number 43.

Every year that I am here my relative seniority becomes worse due to airtran having a much younger pilot group.

You are right though I was wrong about the number I lost. It was over 50% of my seniority by the time I retire.

 

[madjack]

The classics are the problem...