ASA MEC update.

[SoberIrishman]

The whole darn airline is up **** creek, that's where.
The ERJ side needs to take the blinders off and come to the table with some sensible reasoning.

 

[Nevets]

The whole darn airline is up **** creek, that's where.
The ERJ side needs to take the blinders off and come to the table with some sensible reasoning.

Blinders? Before the vote they told us and showed us neat little graphs showing the ERJ fleet reduction schedule. They said they wouldn't even bid on any flying until a JCBA. I don't think we have any blinders. Time will tell but there is lots of attrition. Depending on who is left for the next vote, the pilots may end up caving to concessions.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Tell me how one negotiating a PBS system independent of the process can be good for the process? The PBS agreement was never designed to be implemented in the event of a failed TA. Go read the agreement, it runs parallel to a JCBA. We never achieved a JCBA.
I'm glad our MEC has decided to stop this nonsense. Your team has done nothing except open the door for another whipsaw that could affect the QOL of both groups. Go develop it after a JCBA. At least then, only the XJT pilots get hosed by the company when they shove a system up your collective rear ends.

THANK YOU! At least one MEC is following the wishes of it's pilots!

 

[Nevets]

THANK YOU! At least one MEC is following the wishes of it's pilots!

If the xjt MEC doesn't follow the wishes of the ERJ pilots (like they did by voting for the TA), then I'm sure 2/3 of them and the chairman will be recalled/replaced again. By now you should know, just from the last 4 years, we have absolutely no problem taking people out if they don't do what we want them to do.

 

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If the xjt MEC doesn't follow the wishes of the ERJ pilots (like they did by voting for the TA), then I'm sure 2/3 of them and the chairman will be recalled/replaced again. By now you should know, just from the last 4 years, we have absolutely no problem taking people out if they don't do what we want them to do.

I don't know if I would gloat about that. It just shows you have problems making the right choices.

 

[Nevets]

I don't know if I would gloat about that. It just shows you have problems making the right choices.

Maybe but to also means we are not afraid of throwing people out if we do. Nobody is perfect. But once you realize your mistake, it's better to fix it rather than let pride get in the way of doing what's right, right?

 

[Texx]

Maybe but to also means we are not afraid of throwing people out if we do. Nobody is perfect. But once you realize your mistake, it's better to fix it rather than let pride get in the way of doing what's right, right?

Looks like and sounds like you've made many mistakes. You might want to look at your judgement and evaluation skills. They seem to be lacking.

TaTa

 

[Nevets]

Looks like and sounds like you've made many mistakes. You might want to look at your judgement and evaluation skills. They seem to be lacking.



TaTa

Nope, I've got plan b and c...and other irons in the fire.

 

[JoeMerchant]

If the xjt MEC doesn't follow the wishes of the ERJ pilots (like they did by voting for the TA), then I'm sure 2/3 of them and the chairman will be recalled/replaced again. By now you should know, just from the last 4 years, we have absolutely no problem taking people out if they don't do what we want them to do.

It doesn't seem like your group wants PBS. Why is your MEC pursuing PBS against the wishes of a majority of your pilots?

Your MEC has been a revolving door for the past 4 years.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nope, I've got plan b and c...and other irons in the fire.

....and yet here you still are years later complaining about this immoral company...the fire must be that hot...

 

[Nevets]

It doesn't seem like your group wants PBS. Why is your MEC pursuing PBS against the wishes of a majority of your pilots?

Your MEC has been a revolving door for the past 4 years.

You are not getting it. If PBS was as big of an issue as you think it is for us, then there would be more recalls and resignations. Before the last recall cleanup, all pilots leaving the MEC were because they went to a major.

....and yet here you still are years later complaining about this immoral company...the fire must be that hot...

It's plan b and c for a reason. Until I'm forced to pull the trigger on one or both of those, I'm ok waiting for plan A.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You are not getting it. If PBS was as big of an issue as you think it is for us, then there would be more recalls and resignations. Before the last recall cleanup, all pilots leaving the MEC were because they went to a major.

It's plan b and c for a reason. Until I'm forced to pull the trigger on one or both of those, I'm ok waiting for plan A.

Sounds like your conference call isn't going so well tonight....Lot's of unhappy people....93 aircraft going away in the next 17 months. Attrition won't even handle that.

 

[hou757]

You two sound just like a couple of 6 year olds on the playground. Wow..

 

[hou757]

You two sound just like a couple of 6 year olds on the playground. Wow..

This is exactly why we don't have a contract. You are both part of the problem..

 

[JoeMerchant]

This is exactly why we don't have a contract. You are both part of the problem..

Really? Neither Nevets, nor I, are on the MEC, CNC, or have anything to do with ALPA. How is it our fault?