Delta and college GPA

[pilotyip]

Why didn't he finish a degree?

You look at it from the wrong perspective- at some point, the question is why wouldn't you achieve that when 95% of your peers did?
Why does someone without that degree, who didn't do the work, who didn't figure out a way to finance it, supposed to be on an equal playing field with those of us who did?

Is this little league where we all get a trophy ?

Yip, you have yet to tell me the actual degree program you have an issue with. Why do you avoid giving us real world examples of "bumblebee state"?

I'm curious to know which degrees out there are easy, bought and paid for

nice subject change, I was responding to your post you could not have critical thinking skills without a college degree. From I see here you are a supporter of the box checking, you don't have learn anything or go to school, but you prove your superiority by having a degree like 95% peers, most of whom would join the 47% of college graduate now working at a Starbucks type place because their college did not teach any marketable skills. Well except to check the box on an airline application.

 

[waveflyer]

None of which I said yip
You still won't answer which real universities you equate to bumblebee state.

 

[pilotyip]

None of which I said yip
You still won't answer which real universities you equate to bumblebee state.

I don't
I want to fly with well rounded pilots who have a track record of discipline, study, and finishing goals.
Those traits are directly related to aviation.
What does an airline do when it hires a pilot?
Puts them into CLASS.

You didn't say this? It infers that college is the only place to learn to go to class even though at some colleges you never go to class. But going through a military flight training program in the Army as a WO doesn't count as going to class? Pretty narrow minded if you ask me.

BTW I am not going to name any colleges, but there have been threads referring to these college where you can get a degree with the least amount of work and money. Go check'em. As I posted before I care to offend no one who went to these colleges.

 

[PCL_128]

Not "required" but a good start.

I would say that the military is an acceptable substitute. Or lots of work experience. Or lots of non-profit volunteer experience. Etc. There are many ways to become a well-rounded individual. College is for educating, not for "rounding."

I fear for this country and the absolute war on education that is going on- debt, "liberal bias!!" Like what was posted above-

Education is great and all, but we should recognize that not everyone needs a college education. And I'm sorry, but flying airplanes is a skilled labor field, not a field requiring high level academics. Pilots push this degree nonsense because they want to pretend that they're on a level playing field with doctors and lawyers. But they aren't. And that's why HR departments don't care whether your degree is in basket weaving or "professional aeronautics." It's meaningless to the actual job.

 

[jonjuan]

My plan, should I be so lucky as to get an interview much less the job, is to go back home to the mountains...now THERE'S the good life.

Que the banjo music.....

 

[jonjuan]

Right again! a guy with the on-line degree from Bumblebee State is so much better rounded than a high school grad with two years of college at the University of Arizona who went through Army Flight Training. He flew all over the world transitioned into fixed wing, flew Army YIP's around the US. But this Army WO never got a college degree so in your eyes he is a sub-standard person with no rounding experience or any discipline at all. Make sure you don't get any of them in the SWA cockpit, because I know they have hired some of these guys. Maybe you can have like a "scab" list to make sure everyone you fly with had a college degree.



Thank you, you get it

You should just use "bill Gates" as your response to every post with which you disagree.

 

[rumpletumbler]

I think the point here is that Delta can afford to be picky and choose people who managed their lives early on to present in a way that shows responsibility, foresight, planning, self control. A willingness to live your life in a way that is well rounded with good decisions from start to finish.

While some train wrecks straighten themselves out later in life (myself included) they want the folks who never derailed.

 

[pilotyip]

I think the point here is that Delta can afford to be picky and choose people who managed their lives early on to present in a way that shows responsibility, foresight, planning, self control. A willingness to live your life in a way that is well rounded with good decisions from start to finish.

While some train wrecks straighten themselves out later in life (myself included) they want the folks who never derailed.

yes but in their narrow mindedness they say these traits can only be developed in college. At some colleges for sure at other college not so sure, but all colleges are treated the same when you check the box in the lower left corner. I do not support college as the only way to develop these skills, I have just met too many successful people who did not get a four year degree. I know too many people who did not go to college, but have great jobs, successful careers and a good life. I know too many college graduates who are working at Starbucks type job because they have not developed any skills that have any market demand.

Yes I know that is the way DAL wants to do it, good for them it is there company, I just think their hiring mangers are stupid.

BTW: They used to hire without the degree and those guys did just fine. Maybe it was because most of them were Navy pilots of the Vietnam era.

 

[jonjuan]

I have just met too many successful people who did not get a four year degree.

IHOP managers don't really qualify as successful.

 

[pilotyip]

IHOP managers don't really qualify as successful.

No we are not talking about an IHOP manager. We are talking about an auto repair shop run by a graduate of automotive tech school making $200K/yr. A Navy trained Nuclear Power Plant operator making 100K/yr, and a skilled welder making $150k/yr. Plus the beauty of these job are they cannot be exported.

BTW I am going to bet most college graduate could not do these high-paying jobs because they lack the aptitude

 

[BentOver]

Just stop arguing or trying to get YIP to think like the other 99% of the pilot profession.. It'll be like a dog chasing it's tail... Round and round and round til you forget why the heck you started the debate in the first place. He has some generic canned response for every scenario. And most of them he has used for the last decade or so on here.

 

[pilotyip]

Just stop arguing or trying to get YIP to think like the other 99% of the pilot profession.. It'll be like a dog chasing it's tail... Round and round and round til you forget why the heck you started the debate in the first place. He has some generic canned response for every scenario. And most of them he has used for the last decade or so on here.

Of course they are canned the issues remain the same. The 99% feel that college is the only source of knowledge in the universe. That only college can make a person well rounded, disciplined, or a place to develop critical thinking skills. I just happen to know it is not true. That there are no other experiences in life that give a person develop these skills. To the college crowd an on-line degree with no on-campus or classroom time makes one superior. But the non-college grad Army WO who has flown all over the world, been put into leadership positions and given responsibility beyond most college graduates is well in the college grads words an uneducated person.

This has been going on for well over a decade if you are a new comer to these exchanges. I pretty well have everyone now agreeing it has nothing to do with flying an airplane. The same as Robert Lovett stated in 1941 when Hap Arnold told him that you needed college to be a Army pilot. Well a bunch of high school prove Hap wrong

 

[waveflyer]

No- you don't yip

But whatever makes you sleep well-
What you are talking about are the exceptions
And most airlines provide space to hire the exceptions
It's still something they ought to answer
So why not college?

Oh and bill gates was an exception as well as Steve jobs-
Most of us are not them, but with good choices and putting our minds to it we can still be pretty successful-

It is still 100% bad advice to recommend that an aspiring pilot not get a degree-
That's reality

What you're talking about is your desire to change reality-
You disagree-
I am glad SWA hires those exceptions- I've certainly met and flown with many a great one-
I needed college to take on this profession and I bet most of us did as well-

 

[PCL_128]

I needed college to take on this profession

This I find curious. Why? Other than your SWA koolaid drinking, you seem like an otherwise intelligent individual. Why do you think you "needed" college to do a rather simple job?

 

[Dan Roman]

No we are not talking about an IHOP manager. We are talking about an auto repair shop run by a graduate of automotive tech school making $200K/yr. A Navy trained Nuclear Power Plant operator making 100K/yr, and a skilled welder making $150k/yr. Plus the beauty of these job are they cannot be exported.

BTW I am going to bet most college graduate could not do these high-paying jobs because they lack the aptitude

Yip, you left out Strippers making $100,000, although the job CAN be imported.

 

[Dan Roman]

I needed college to take on this profession and I bet most of us did as well-

Wave, Three of the best pilots I've known never went to college. They went right into flying complex multi engine aircraft at a very young age and made it into HA, Piedmont and AA (via AirCal). They were much better pilots than almost all the highly educated one's I've known. I've known pilots that over emphasize the importance of were they went to college too. They weren't so good.
That said, the reality is, having graduated from college is just one more resume builder that I can understand an employer would want to have checked off. But it in no way indicates any superiority or higher level of competence in the cockpit.

 

[DCAA320]

So pilotyip, in what semester did you drop out of college?

 

[vetteracer]

Well, I?m out. 2.3 in Mec Eng, should have got that basket weaving degree instead! That would be much more beneficial in the cockpit. And all those traffic tickets in my muscle car. Ah, what the heck, I?d be no fun to visit with.

 

[pilotyip]

So pilotyip, in what semester did you drop out of college?

Never did, but should have to get a good start in this career. I got a BS from Michigan State University in 1965. But I should have dropped out in 1963 after two year joined the Navy as a NAVCAD. I could have gotten out in 1968 when DAL hired Navy pilots without degrees. In fact at that time it was almost a pipeline, get out tell DAL you were a Navy pilot and wanted to work there. In fact I saw guys get hired while still on active duty, doing DAL GS while on terminal leave. I watched guys do it they never had a lay off, or loss of the Captain's. I guess you could say going to college ruined my career. don't ya think?

All that being said, I did find getting a Masters in Business very useful in understanding money, investing and budgeting. Good things to know when planing for retirement.

Wave, Three of the best pilots I've known never went to college. They went right into flying complex multi engine aircraft at a very young age and made it into HA, Piedmont and AA (via AirCal). They were much better pilots than almost all the highly educated one's I've known. I've known pilots that over emphasize the importance of were they went to college too. They weren't so good.
That said, the reality is, having graduated from college is just one more resume builder that I can understand an employer would want to have checked off. But it in no way indicates any superiority or higher level of competence in the cockpit.

Thank you, you get it.

 

[pilotyip]

Well, I?m out. 2.3 in Mec Eng, should have got that basket weaving degree instead! That would be much more beneficial in the cockpit. And all those traffic tickets in my muscle car. Ah, what the heck, I?d be no fun to visit with.

Yes but you might actually be learning something that someone will pay you to do for them. A 2.3 in ME will bring a whole lot more money than a 4.0 in French History, Gender studies, etc.