Delta and college GPA

[jonjuan]

Had an ex atty FO a few weeks ago. Good stick. Said just the opposite. Nothing more mundane than practicing law for a living.

Yep-brother has been an atty for 15 years. Graduated from top 25 law school and makes $140k/year. Said it's the most boring job he could imagine and wishes he went to all-atps or gulfstream 20 years ago.

 

[jonjuan]

If that's true then why don't the other major airlines make a big deal about GPA?

Who says they don't?

 

[DCAA320]

which just reenforces that a college degree had nothing to do with flying an airplane

At my airline guys who couldn't transition from DC-9/757 to the Airbus just retired. Keep telling yourself college doesn't matter.

Very recently on the 757, I watched a captain toss his iPad and pull out the paper because he couldn't figure things out.

No page long rants please.

 

[Dan Roman]

Didn't want to go through this whole string but did anyone say the obvious that DAL is more concerned with not having to deal with anyone struggling through ground school and costing them money? That's been their MO more than than most and they seem happy with it. Can't really find fault with that other than the reality that it bit them pretty bad back in the late 80's.

 

[acaTerry]

Sounds to me like you went to the wrong college. Maybe BYU, TCU, Oral Roberts or some other conservative, religious, right wing bible college or university catering predominately to white christians would have been more to your liking. Perhaps your own personal choir would have been preached to more effectively that way.

Pretentious, elitist, liberal arts quote from Shakespeare follows:

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

You may have to look up the reference on wikipedia as I doubt you were exposed to very much english lit in the military.

1. You must be a flaming liberal, as you show severe dissatisfaction in my ability to maintain my own thought after the liberal institutions attempted to brainwash.

2. I do not need to look that up, I majored in English and saw plenty of it. You, on the other hand, forgot to capitalize the "W" in "Wikipedia" and the "E" in "English". That should put you at, um, first grade.

3. Nice cheap shot at all of us who served in the military, you ingrate.

Don't bother replying, you just joined Pennekamp in my Ignore list. Both of you are flaming libs so you ought to get along great.

 

[waveflyer]

Which one brain washes more? The military or college?
Hmm.
I think the outcome of that question is affected by the observer..

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Which one brain washes more? The military or college?
Hmm.
I think the outcome of that question is affected by the observer..

Well, since the actual goal of military basic training is to break you down and rebuild you, I'm guessing the military. If you're an independent thinker, you're not a good soldier. Think "Forest Gump."

"What's your sole purpose in this Army Gump?"

"To do whatever you tell me DRILL SERGEANT!"

"Godammit Gump. You're a God Darn Genius!"



I respect the military folk for their commitment and for what they do for the country, but I never, ever ask one for a unique or independent thought. They haven't had one since basic training.

 

[DCAA320]

I respect the military folk for their commitment and for what they do for the country, but I never, ever ask one for a unique or independent thought. They haven't had one since basic training.

Gump wasn't in officer training, there is a big difference, and maybe you should pick smarter friends.

 

[pilotyip]

I respect the military folk for their commitment and for what they do for the country, but I never, ever ask one for a unique or independent thought. They haven't had one since basic training.

Spoken by a person who has never been there. When you are turned loose to do your job in the military there are more unique challenges that demand independent thought than the routine of canned civilian flying I don?t think I can compare the two.

 

[PCL_128]

Don't bother replying, you just joined Pennekamp in my Ignore list. Both of you are flaming libs so you ought to get along great.

Holy crap, Pennekamp hasn't been around here in years. Let it go!

 

[krewmeel]

1. You must be a flaming liberal, as you show severe dissatisfaction in my ability to maintain my own thought after the liberal institutions attempted to brainwash.

2. I do not need to look that up, I majored in English and saw plenty of it. You, on the other hand, forgot to capitalize the "W" in "Wikipedia" and the "E" in "English". That should put you at, um, first grade.

3. Nice cheap shot at all of us who served in the military, you ingrate.

Don't bother replying, you just joined Pennekamp in my Ignore list. Both of you are flaming libs so you ought to get along great.

God forbid you should entertain any world views other than your own, so ignoring me is probably a good idea. I'm sure reading my "flaming lib" posts leaves less time to listen to Rush on talk radio anyway. Besides, I have some tree huggin' and March On Wall Street events to attend, so I don't have time for this. Not to mention I have a union meeting.

Hope your not a member of a labor union...that might not look good to your Tea Party bro's...

 

[waveflyer]

I do wonder what tea partners do in their personal lives when they reveal their union status.
Probably the same - bitch constantly on their union forums, while doing nothing.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I do wonder what tea partners do in their personal lives when they reveal their union status.
Probably the same - bitch constantly on their union forums, while doing nothing.

"These unionists are confiscating my hard-earned wages with their exhorbitant dues ... I wish we weren't closed shop ... I'd prefer a direct relationship with my management -- I'd make more ... sometimes I'd like to go the extra mile for my employer but the union won't let me ... I'm bound by the chains of seniority, why with my Yeager-like skills and initiative I'd be a captain by now ... Freeeeedom!!!!"






Typed on my iPhone with my fingers.

 

[waveflyer]

Exactly

 

[DCAA320]

Civilians VS Active Duty

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20...pummel-active-duty-cyberwarriors?sf29369306=1

I would bet most of the civilians attended college.

 

[pilotyip]

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20...pummel-active-duty-cyberwarriors?sf29369306=1

I would bet most of the civilians attended college.

Yes I had read that one, there was also one in WSJ that the if you want to make it as a programer, skip college

If you're a young person who is thinking about becoming a computer programmer but can't afford college, you might think about skipping college

What's going on here isn't complicated: And traditional institutions, which largely treat introductory computer-science classes as barrier courses designed to weed out all but the most committed students, are demonstrably not meeting the need. This year, the University of Washington could accommodate only a quarter of the qualified students who applied to its computer science major. And this is happening at schools across the country, most of which have seen hockey-stick growth in applications to both be computer-science majors and to take individual courses in recent years.

Fortunately, it turns out that a computer-science degree isn't necessary to get a job in programming. Fourteen percent of the members of some teams at Google don't have a college degree, and 67% of the programming jobs in the U.S. are at nontech companies where other kinds of industry experience are more likely to be valued.

check it out http://online.wsj.com/articles/computer-programming-is-a-trade-lets-act-like-it-1407109947

 

[rumpletumbler]

Master of the obvious says......

If you want to work for Delta get a degree regardless of your personal beliefs on the subject.

 

[pilotyip]

Master of the obvious says......

If you want to work for Delta get a degree regardless of your personal beliefs on the subject.

Right and you don't need to know anything, just check the box

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Right and you don't need to know anything, just check the box

Even if it's just checking the box, that's more than enough reason to do it. But most reasonable people understand it is very valuable experience. (Which is why major airlines require it.)

 

[DCAA320]

Even if it's just checking the box, that's more than enough reason to do it. But most reasonable people understand it is very valuable experience. (Which is why major airlines require it.)

So why aren't you at a major? I take great offense to your military comments.

Go fu(k yourself.

 

[pilotyip]

Even if it's just checking the box, that's more than enough reason to do it. But most reasonable people understand it is very valuable experience. (Which is why major airlines require it.)

You mean 60 credits for life experience? With 30 credits transferred from a community college followed by 30 credits of on-line no classroom training is a valuable experience. But going through Nuclear Power Plant Operating School in the Navy, learning a skilled trade like auto repair or welding or going through Army Flight Training is not a valuable experience if you are not a college graduate. Doesn?t sound that reasonable to me. BTW If it is so valuable why are 47% of the college grads working in places like Starbucks at $30k/yr why a welder in making 100K/yr?

So why aren't you at a major? I take great offense to your military comments.

Go fu(k yourself.

Hey let it go go, he has never served and has no idea what it is all about. He is a reasonable person who sees that only college gives you valuable expereince, something you could never find in the military

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Why aren't you?

So why aren't you at a major? I take great offense to your military comments.

Go fu(k yourself.

 

[maru657]

Some of the best pilots I ever flew with were ex-Army helicopter pilots with huge levels of experience. They never got hired at a major because of the degree BS. So, when did this become a welfare position for college boys. It's a blue collar job.

 

[tomgoodman]

Oh please!! a 4.0 GPA from Bumblebee State in Gender Studies means nothing compared to a 3.0 in Mechanical Engineering from MIT.

My neighbor's kid is a Cheerleading major at Bumblebee State.
I asked her: "Do professional cheerleaders make good money?"
She said: "Oh yes! They are called Press Secretaries."

 

[ASA_Aviator]

So why aren't you at a major? I take great offense to your military comments.



Go fu(k yourself.

I'm no longer at a regional... And the sentiment is returned. Go forth and multiply.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Hey let it go go, he has never served and has no idea what it is all about. He is a reasonable person who sees that only college gives you valuable expereince, something you could never find in the military

I have an entire family full of military. I know all about it.

College isn't the only way. But if you want to be at a major, it is. Convincing people otherwise is irresponsible.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Some of the best pilots I ever flew with were ex-Army helicopter pilots with huge levels of experience. They never got hired at a major because of the degree BS. So, when did this become a welfare position for college boys. It's a blue collar job.

It also might have something to do with the fact that most majors don't count rotary-wing time, only fixed-wing. Unless they had a bunch of that time as well, their lack of a college degree wasn't their main show stopper. Of course, if they put you down as a reference, that would also sink anyone, probably even Chuck Yeager.

Just sayin'.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

I have an entire family full of military. I know all about it.

College isn't the only way. But if you want to be at a major, it is. Convincing people otherwise is irresponsible.

Really? You have an "entire family full of military," and you just insulted the sh!t out of them all with your previous post? Somehow I doubt that. I also doubt that you "know all about" jack squat having to do with the military, having never served.

Boot camp (or basic training, OCS, whatever) does indeed spend whatever length "breaking the individual down," but then it builds him back up again. The goal is to make him part of a team; to consider others and the mission before himself. That's it. That's the only goal. It has nothing to do with stifling or preventing independent or unique thought. In fact, independent and unique thought is absolutely counted on in the field. What do you suppose a combat pilot does when the sh!t hits the fan, and he doesn't have a first officer sitting next to him to bounce ideas off of? What do you suppose any military leader, officer or enlisted, does when he has an imperative objective to complete, and there's no "rule book answer" to what he's facing? (I'll give you a hint, ASA--it's got to do with independent and creative thought.)

When you speak about the military like you did, clearly without any actual knowledge, then you're just speaking out of your ass, and you make yourself look dumb. You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about; that was obvious. You probably shouldn't claim your "expertise" about the military from what you see from Hollywood, you know?

However, having said that, I agree that for better or worse, a college degree is almost required these days to be an airline pilot. It's "desired" by most, and actually required by Delta. Hey, it's their job opening; they can set whatever requirements they want. Check the box, and improve your chances.

Bubba

 

[relief tube]

Flow and hiring agreements have made it impossible to say DAL, UA & AA hire the best educated and most talented pilots nowadays.

thank you! finally some truth on this site.

 

[pilotyip]

I have an entire family full of military. I know all about it.

College isn't the only way. But if you want to be at a major, it is. Convincing people otherwise is irresponsible.

So SWA, NWA, and UAL are not major's, those are places I have seen our pilots go without college degrees. I have never said to not a get a degree, my stance from day one has been that all college degrees are not created equal, well expect in the eyes of airline HR type. To say a person is superior because they did a life experience, on-line degree in Gender Studies, well that is just irresponsible.

BTW I agree with you if you ant to go to a major, you probably need a degree, but the degree has nothing to do with who you are or your ability to learn or fly an airplane. I have worked with and trained too many non-degreed people.