No growth at SW until 2016 now

[Tripower455]

Do tell

Some of us are lowly lotto-winners with no access

Most of the discussion centers around a "career" choice he made ca. 1989, and the appropriateness of "celebrating" a "career" that includes that "choice" via the Kool Aid blog on SWALife.......

 

[Nindiri]

Mad Dog was awesome.

 

[PCL_128]

Most of the discussion centers around a "career" choice he made ca. 1989, and the appropriateness of "celebrating" a "career" that includes that "choice" via the Kool Aid blog on SWALife.......

You can't treat a member differently because of that. If you're going to "celebrate" any members, you have to treat all of them equally. He joined and paid his dues. The rules are the rules.

 

[mokitty]

You can't treat a member differently because of that. If you're going to "celebrate" any members, you have to treat all of them equally. He joined and paid his dues. The rules are the rules.

Ah no! He's a f'in SCAB. Dot. Choice made, consequences continue.......

Carry on.

 

[PCL_128]

The law doesn't view things the same way. Blame the GOP.

 

[Tripower455]

You can't treat a member differently because of that. If you're going to "celebrate" any members, you have to treat all of them equally.

Well, they've already treated him differently by "celebrating" his retirement in the first place, as it is not done, even for SW pilots.

He joined and paid his dues. The rules are the rules.

Yup.... Sad to say.

IMHO, they should be barred from the profession for life. It kills me that those self serving pricks are offered the same opportunities and occupying seats that folks that didn't make those "career" choices deserve. That, along with the PFT issue, was THE reason I never even considered applying to Valujet.

I could've scabbed at EAL too, but I actually respect myself and the profession too much to have even considered it.

 

[PCL_128]

Well, they've already treated him differently by "celebrating" his retirement in the first place, as it is not done, even for SW pilots.

Are you talking about something that happened on the SWA side for his retirement? I'm just talking about our side. We always do something for our retirees, as long as they're members in good standing. I think the MEC does a plaque, they send out a congratulatory email message, that sort of thing. They did it for MD, and they've done it for the rest, also.

 

[Tripower455]

Are you talking about something that happened on the SWA side for his retirement? I'm just talking about our side. We always do something for our retirees, as long as they're members in good standing. I think the MEC does a plaque, they send out a congratulatory email message, that sort of thing. They did it for MD, and they've done it for the rest, also.

There is a rah rah propaganda piece on SWALife featuring his retirement. It describes what a stellar human being he is, his awesome harmonica playing, how he led the "perfect" career and that we're sorry to see him retire. No mention of the not so imaginary line he crossed on 36th St. back in '89 though.

The irony is that one of "our" luminaries, a guy named Rod Jones, retired a few weeks ago with nary a peep on SWALife. If you're gonna feature a retiring pilot on SWALife, wouldn't you feature a 30+ year veteran who HAS led a stellar career and was highly thought of by both management and pilots alike, over a guy who doesn't even work for us, and never will, (not to mention the "other" issue).

The Kool Aid censors must be working overtime on the comments section, as several folks have attempted to surreptitiously mention the omitted fact and nobody's been able to get the message through, however well camouflaged with Kool Aid.

 

[redflyer65]

Mad Dog was awesome.

And an Eastern scab, which is pathetic.

 

[PCL_128]

Ahhh, gotcha. I never get on SWALife, so I had no idea. I can understand the frustration. And if they think that the harmonica playing is so awesome, they should try listening to it over and over again on a four day trip. I never flew with MD, but I did with our other harmonica player. Nice guy, but that thing can make you want to blow your brains out after the third or fourth leg.

 

[Nindiri]

And an Eastern scab, which is pathetic.

<shrugs> Whatever. As far as I'm concerned, life is too short to waste being bitter or spiteful about something that happened 25 years ago.

 

[Tripower455]

Ahhh, gotcha. I never get on SWALife, so I had no idea. I can understand the frustration. And if they think that the harmonica playing is so awesome, they should try listening to it over and over again on a four day trip. I never flew with MD, but I did with our other harmonica player. Nice guy, but that thing can make you want to blow your brains out after the third or fourth leg.

Check it out, as a "union thug", it'll make your skin crawl.

LOL.....

Yeah, the harmonica is kind of a sore subject with me. Done well, it can be a tasteful addition to a song. Unfortunately, not many folks can play it well. I have a cover band, and every so often, someone at a gig shows up with a harp, and wants to jam. Even though we ALWAYS say no, they stand right in front and jam away, typically in the wrong key.... It must be hell on the PA speakers in the airplane.....

 

[Tripower455]

<shrugs> Whatever. As far as I'm concerned, life is too short to waste being bitter or spiteful about something that happened 25 years ago.

While I would typically agree, those of us that were paying a strike assessment, or worse, walking the line, during EAL 89, tend to be a little sensitive about the subject. These guys have negatively affected the career of every one of us. While I am not, nor do I officially advocate defecating in their flight bags or harassing them in any way (I think I still have my scab clicker lying around somewhere), in the words of Chris Rock, "I understand"............

 

[Nindiri]

While I would typically agree, those of us that were paying a strike assessment, or worse, walking the line, during EAL 89, tend to be a little sensitive about the subject. These guys have negatively affected the career of every one of us. While I am not, nor do I officially advocate defecating in their flight bags or harassing them in any way (I think I still have my scab clicker lying around somewhere), in the words of Chris Rock, "I understand"............

I understand, and I don't want to make light of anyone's experiences. I walked the line in a former airline life, so I know what a sensitive subject it is. But at some point, I think you have to move on and accept that other people made different decisions, and without knowing the specifics of his situation 25 years ago, I can't judge a man.

I do know that during the few years at AirTran that I was around him, he was a great guy. And I would hate to have my whole life judged by my worst moment. "He who is without sin, etc, etc..."

 

[Tripower455]

I understand, and I don't want to make light of anyone's experiences. I walked the line in a former airline life, so I know what a sensitive subject it is. But at some point, I think you have to move on and accept that other people made different decisions, and without knowing the specifics of his situation 25 years ago, I can't judge a man.

You're a better man than I........

 

[Nindiri]

Oops, didn't mean to add that edit after you already posted. I thought I could slip the edit in really quick. But I think it kind of helps explain my position.

 

[redflyer65]

Check it out, as a "union thug", it'll make your skin crawl.

LOL.....

Yeah, the harmonica is kind of a sore subject with me. Done well, it can be a tasteful addition to a song. Unfortunately, not many folks can play it well. I have a cover band, and every so often, someone at a gig shows up with a harp, and wants to jam. Even though we ALWAYS say no, they stand right in front and jam away, typically in the wrong key.... It must be hell on the PA speakers in the airplane.....

Completely agree. You have to be good, or just leave it at home.

 

[Tripower455]

Oops, didn't mean to add that edit after you already posted. I thought I could slip it in really quick. But I think it kind of helps explain my position.

Ahh, you humanized him....

Easy mistake to make. They seem almost human when they're smiling to your face, so it's easy to forget that they'll stab you in the back (again), given the first opportunity.....

IMHO, as part of being let back into the industry, they should be required to have a scarlet "S" tattooed to their forehead to make it easier to pick them out and remind others of their professional transgressions.....

 

[waveflyer]

<shrugs> Whatever. As far as I'm concerned, life is too short to waste being bitter or spiteful about something that happened 25 years ago.

Such backward reasoning. Forgiveness for a scab, but disgruntlement for losing 2-3 years in an sli with SWA.

????

Sorry if that's not extremely weird to me.

 

[waveflyer]

While I would typically agree, those of us that were paying a strike assessment, or worse, walking the line, during EAL 89, tend to be a little sensitive about the subject. These guys have negatively affected the career of every one of us. While I am not, nor do I officially advocate defecating in their flight bags or harassing them in any way (I think I still have my scab clicker lying around somewhere), in the words of Chris Rock, "I understand"............

Great post!

"I understand.." As well