is 40 to 45 too old to get hired at a major?

[jonjuan]

If you're female they will hire you with less than a year at a regional! Obviously very qualified if you are! They hired all the females at my base. Passed on all the ten plus yr qualified check airman. But who needs that when you can check a box...... Im sick of seeing this, anyone else?

Sweet-please confirm your company and base. We'll check to see if you are speaking the truth.

 

[JetProp]

I'm 51 with 10,000TT, 1200TPIC, 3k jet, 4k tprop, 3 types, and a 4 year degree. Experience at the regionals and currently flying for a large fractional(12 years).

Thinking about starting the application process, would I have a reasonable chance at getting on with a major?

 

[Hpilot]

Sweet-please confirm your company and base. We'll check to see if you are speaking the truth.

Yeah, funny how much BS flies around here. It's like when you hear on here about all these people getting hired on with no 121 PIC or 4 year, then you go talk to HR or a CP and they're like, "nope, isn't true."

 

[waveflyer]

I'm 51 with 10,000TT, 1200TPIC, 3k jet, 4k tprop, 3 types, and a 4 year degree. Experience at the regionals and currently flying for a large fractional(12 years).

Thinking about starting the application process, would I have a reasonable chance at getting on with a major?

Not if you don't apply

 

[DCAA320]

If you're female they will hire you with less than a year at a regional! Obviously very qualified if you are! They hired all the females at my base. Passed on all the ten plus yr qualified check airman. But who needs that when you can check a box...... Im sick of seeing this, anyone else?

Well I haven't flown with a chick in 5, or 10 years, I dunno, so I say hire them all. They smell better than guys anyway.

Just so we are clear, being a check airman is political, they may not be the best pilots, may not be the best at CRM, but, might, maybe, be the best at kissing ass.

They are qualified because you say so?

I only say that because we just had 4 quit, because they would not bow to the head bitch, hence, I am being held on 767 but getting A330/B777 pay.

I am not sick of seeing it, just to answer your question.

 

[RJLoser]

I only say that because we just had 4 quit, because they would not bow to the head bitch, hence, I am being held on 767 but getting A330/B777 pay.

I am not sick of seeing it, just to answer your question.

Didn't hear about this. ??

 

[DCAA320]

Didn't hear about this. ??

4 A330 instructors I was told, head guy said take it or leave it (as far as lower pay) they went back to the line.

Since I am being held, I believe they walked.

 

[pilotyip]

At that time Alaska told my dad he was too old. Tail end of Vietnam flying c141all over and couldn't get hired. At that time.

I was in the same box in 1977, after flying P-3's around Vietnam in 60's. The joke back then was to get an interview at a major after age 30 you have to have two logged lunar landings. The military trained over 15,000 pilots in 1968, then kicked them out in droves after 1976. The job market was flooded with military pilots in the late 70's. I ended up flying rubber dog crap out of KYIP in aged out junk. Where did your dad end up?

 

[pilotyip]

Sure, but you received a 4 year degree in life experience at 50. No kiddos in their 20s/30s without degrees getting hired.

Not true, I saw a number of guys in their 20/30's come out of our place in the 2000-2007 time frame without college degrees go to AirTran, SWA, Spirit, NJ and JB. Maybe on-demand experience out of KYIP in aged out junk is like a master's in life expereinces?

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

The last 3 classes at SWA and at least one guy over 50. Age ain't nothing anymore. Good luck.

 

[jetstream]

Just so we are clear, being a check airman is political, they may not be the best pilots, may not be the best at CRM, but, might, maybe, be the best at kissing ass.

I happen to be a check airman at a large regional carrier and am privileged to work with some of the best pilots in the business. We take new hires who often meet only the minimum requirements to be hired, have never flown a jet, never seen an FMS, never flown for an airline, never flown in congested airspace, etc. Heck, there was a time we even had some new hires who had never been in actual IMC conditions.We take them and turn them into safe, competent airline pilots.

The abilities required to do this and deal with the associated stress and high workload on the flight deck can only be understood by those who do it.

Not a single one of them has the job because they kiss ass. They have it because they are good at what they do. Period.

 

[DCAA320]

I happen to be a check airman at a large regional carrier and am privileged to work with some of the best pilots in the business. We take new hires who often meet only the minimum requirements to be hired, have never flown a jet, never seen an FMS, never flown for an airline, never flown in congested airspace, etc. Heck, there was a time we even had some new hires who had never been in actual IMC conditions.We take them and turn them into safe, competent airline pilots.

The abilities required to do this and deal with the associated stress and high workload on the flight deck can only be understood by those who do it.

Not a single one of them has the job because they kiss ass. They have it because they are good at what they do. Period.

Hi Jetstream, I believe everything you said, but I have flown with former check airman, and when I ask why aren't you still a check airman, they say they tried to change things, boss disagreed, and the boss said if you don't like it, leave (training dept).

Why do I believe them, well I was ordered by the head of training to do something, utterly ridiculous, of course I said no, and was kicked out of class the night before my oral. So at my airline, there are politics.

Back in the day:

My IOE at AE was LAX to Oxnard, check airman had his hands full, me too.

If you look at my post, I said "might, maybe" as in it doesn't apply to all.

 

[Bad-Andy]

4 A330 instructors I was told, head guy said take it or leave it (as far as lower pay) they went back to the line.

Since I am being held, I believe they walked.

Unless that happened on Friday, not true -- just urban legend. Had a conversation with one of them on Thursday afternoon, and all four agreed to stay on through the end of May. The head guy you referred to is working on a deal to keep those guys -- the hold up is on the union end, not the company end, as there is no mechanism to provide pay protection for F/O's that can hold Captain. Both sides are working hard to fix this. No sinister plots here (by either side)...

You're being held on the 767 because of lack of training availability on your end. The company was blindsided by how junior the 767 went on the last bid (unfilled positions...) and is trying to figure out how to fill those vacancies...

On the good side, are you going to be able to hold a Secondary on the 767 this summer? If so, enjoy the higher pay and the block... :beer:

 

[DCAA320]

Unless that happened on Friday, not true -- just urban legend. Had a conversation with one of them on Thursday afternoon, and all four agreed to stay on through the end of May. The head guy you referred to is working on a deal to keep those guys -- the hold up is on the union end, not the company end, as there is no mechanism to provide pay protection for F/O's that can hold Captain. Both sides are working hard to fix this. No sinister plots here (by either side)...

You're being held on the 767 because of lack of training availability on your end. The company was blindsided by how junior the 767 went on the last bid (unfilled positions...) and is trying to figure out how to fill those vacancies...

On the good side, are you going to be able to hold a Secondary on the 767 this summer? If so, enjoy the higher pay and the block... :beer:

Just flew with guy in training department, he said head guy refused to pay them CPT A320 pay, which they could hold. That is all I know.

Oh yeah, got my 4th choice of sec lines for APR, will fly 90 hours in MAY.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Just flew with guy in training department, he said head guy refused to pay them CPT A320 pay, which they could hold. That is all I know.

Dang. There may be more IPs leaving soon on all fleet types then...

Oh yeah, got my 4th choice of sec lines for APR, will fly 90 hours in MAY

At least there is a bright side to being held... (Don't forget to submit for reimbursement for all your day rooms that you'll use before all your trips...) $$$