Air Force to UAL New Hire

[imacdog]

Some of the comments are even more entertaining than the article.

 

[Flyer1015]

Some of the comments are even more entertaining than the article.

He moderates all comments before they are publicly visible.

 

[dicko]

Why do civilian pilots have to learn the "nuances" at a regional, while unqualified mil pilots get to learn it at the end goal major, building seniority and longevity at the good job? Eh sig?

I'm not Sig, but the answer seems kind of obvious - both the Military and the Regionals provide the qualifications and experience required to be hired at a Major.

- The Regionals would take civilian pilots barely out of training. They'd then gain the experience that the Major requires to be hired.

- The Military takes a pilot, trains them and then provides the experience that the Major requires to be hired.

Unless you're concerned that military pilots aren't trainable as airline pilots ? Both teams seem to have an equal number of tools. Perhaps SWA hires a particular type of military pilot ...... a matter of pseudo inbreeding perhaps ?

 

[Tripower455]

You guys have it all wrong.....

THE reason SW (in particular) prefer to hire mostly military pilots has nothing to do with flying ability. It's because many of them question or even hate the idea of a "union", and will vote for whatever the company wants, even if it's to the detriment of labor. They are a known quantity, IE: "SIR,YES SIR", loyal to "The Borg" types, and management loves them. This worked fine in the pre GK, "we're all in this together" days, but I'm afraid that they're gonna get a lesson in Labor 101 that they won't soon forget, but then it'll be too late.

It's even better when these guys get elected to "union" positions (the "need to lead" is strong in many of them), and they have no clue that they AREN'T (or shouldn't be) an arm of management. The list of former SWApA folks now working for the G.O. is long and distinguished.

 

[scoreboardII]

I don't even know where to begin on this one.

Let's start with the "been around the block" comment. Say you're a brand new captain, first month after upgrading. You're heading to LGA, EWR, DCA, BOS (or fill in the busy airport of your choice). The weather sucks, you get to the "jet" and have an equally new FO. Would you rather have a guy/girl who just finished new hire IOE after flying a desk for 3 or the last 5 years, or a regional guy/girl who's been to these airports (or was maybe even based there) for the last 10 years? Tell me again who's "been around the block"?

As far as the "wanting the job to last" comment. Really? Give me a break.

You mistook my comment, it had nothing to do about flying, it has to do with been around the block of life and don't care to see a union screw up the job. Hence, companies love the retired military, less drama.

 

[Flopgut]

United does a poor job... I general. Just stop the sentence there.

 

[eaglesview]

Yeah, because you can't learn the nuances on the line. Seems the hiring departments at every major airline would disagree with you at the rate mil buds of mine are getting picked up.

What the OPs discussion was referring too was that the UAL school house is a type course, with a tiny amount of operational discussion. You hit the line for IOE trip one with a type rating and not much else. Very OJT. If he came from the USAF it's very different. Navy however does it the same, train to proficiency and learn the rest on the job.

How is learning deice procedures in ORD any different in the right seat of an RJ or an A320? One is just a place you actually want to be.

I wonder if you are referring to the North UAL training center or the good ole boy down south "UAL" training center.

 

[Scrapdog]

You are so full of crap as usual.

A 6 month course front to back includes the 95% of stuff you do beyond what it takes to taxi, takeoff and land, which is all you ever do in the airlines.

Most of those courses firehose you with less than a week or two of academics, tests, a few sims, and your butt is in the jet inside two weeks. To do a takeoff, landing and some approaches. Which is all you ever do in an airline.

Then you spend 5.5 months figuring out how to do that and drop bombs or pallets or such.

+1!!!!! 110% true.

 

[Scrapdog]

Which is why military pilots should have to fly in the regionals for a while

They're flat out unqualified for major airline jobs in 2014

Absolute joke.

<< "Unqualified" major airline pilot in 2014 and 1,500 hour fighter guy.

I crack up every time I check FI after a couple of weeks. The manure gets deeper and deeper.

 

[user912]

Or.. because many are the typical "yes" "get the mission done" types that have a hard time learning to fly the contract and uphold the CBA. Seen it too many times.

Bingo! US commercial aviation?s love affair with the military is, however, about more than just avoiding the costs of training pilots. While it?s true that one can hardly distinguish the background of a pilot after a few years with an airline, as new hires, military pilots are often the least militant of labor groups. Until the end of the first contract negotiation they experience, their peers will often view them as Kool-Aide drinkers easily swayed by managerial agitprop.

Face it, the public thinks ALL airline pilots are retired AF. Mention even another branch to them and they look at you quizzically, unless they've seen Top Gun.

A well rounded pilot would have a military and civilian background. But then I'm just biased.

 

[waveflyer]

Absolute joke.

<< "Unqualified" major airline pilot in 2014 and 1,500 hour fighter guy.

I crack up every time I check FI after a couple of weeks. The manure gets deeper and deeper.

Yep, not incapable

Unqualified.

Refute it if you don't like it- but it is the truth. We don't drop bombs at 121 carriers.
I'm sure it was a hell of an accomplishment, and fun, and lots of respectable things- but it relates to airline flying about as well as a floatplane

 

[Turtle21]

Yep, not incapable



Unqualified.



Refute it if you don't like it- but it is the truth. We don't drop bombs at 121 carriers.

I'm sure it was a hell of an accomplishment, and fun, and lots of respectable things- but it relates to airline flying about as well as a floatplane

Unqualified?

A monkey with Microsoft Simulator and a few bananas is qualified to be a 121 pilot.

There are three fundamental qualifying skills for a 121 pilot.. 1) bitching, 2) suing, and 3) bragging.

Primate skills more advanced than monkeys are merely superfluous, thus mil pilots are lobotomized first thing at indoc.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Unqualified?

A monkey with Microsoft Simulator and a few bananas is qualified to be a 121 pilot.

There are three fundamental qualifying skills for a 121 pilot.. 1) bitching, 2) suing, and 3) bragging.

Primate skills more advanced than monkeys are merely superfluous, thus mil pilots are lobotomized first thing at indoc.

Says the man wanting more pay, more benefits, and a better QOL. But I digress......

 

[Turtle21]

Says the man wanting more pay, more benefits, and a better QOL. But I digress......

Example of Skill #1.

 

[SIG600]

Yep, not incapable

Unqualified.

Refute it if you don't like it- but it is the truth. We don't drop bombs at 121 carriers.
I'm sure it was a hell of an accomplishment, and fun, and lots of respectable things- but it relates to airline flying about as well as a floatplane

Again, your own management would refute this. Don't hate because you had to buy both your jobs.