Jetblew Is MESSED up!

[Ski-N-Fly]

Had enough? Send in a card!!!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

The solution to reinstating premium pay is to stop flying overtime. If 1/4 of the pilots who normally fly overtime stop doing that for a couple of months, the company will likely reinstate premium pay.
Or at the very least, reduce the amount of overtime you fly.

I completely agree with you.
Unfortunatly, JB has somehow convinced many of it's pilots that is some kind of benefit to be able to credit 120 hours a month. I know a couple that credit more than 150!
Fly me 70 and PAY ME as if it was 120!
A big anti-ALPA selling point last vote was that a union would instill pay caps.
I think another move would be for everyone to do 3-engine taxis, no directs, no calls to dispatch with personal phones, and no extra ordinary effort to make things work for just ONE week and let them take a gander at THOSE stats.
Never happen, though.
Too many "I got mine" pilots at JB.

 

[N311HK]

The solution to reinstating premium pay is to stop flying overtime. If 1/4 of the pilots who normally fly overtime stop doing that for a couple of months, the company will likely reinstate premium pay.
Or at the very least, reduce the amount of overtime you fly.

Never gonna happen. This group is a joke. 2 failed drive attempts. Guys still running back to clean with pax on board, stand up PA's. Guys walking around with their laptops trying to pick up open time. Back door dinners with management. Smoke and mirrors with NPS scores and Lift awards. 20% of this group would give up their 1st born for a DH turn.
I'm done blaming management. I blame us. It's too late. Remember when premium was at 70hrs? Remember those 13:30's? Oh but we will show them this time. We have no leverage! And putting in union will take at least 5 years for a CBA. Look how long it took for 3A. The real solution is to have some balls and leave.

 

[Smarta$$]

The solution to reinstating premium pay is to stop flying overtime. If 1/4 of the pilots who normally fly overtime stop doing that for a couple of months, the company will likely reinstate premium pay.
Or at the very least, reduce the amount of overtime you fly.

They will still offer premium pay when they are short staffed, like summer, holidays, and maybe weekends. They just don't want to pay premium for a day turn on a Tuesday in September.... I agree with you though, the less we pick up open time the more often they will offer premium pay. I agree with others about pilots here will still pick up trips aggressively. Hope we are wrong, but they will.

Frankly I honestly believe the new dependability policy and the make up of this new PEA are the way management wants our pay structured for the upcoming union vote and subsequent negotiations. They know from their BluePilots.com plants and from other sources that many pilots were withholding their cards till the PEA release and that a union vote would follow shortly after. This is their opening position for negotiations.

I don't think we will get the same premium system back in a CBA. It was a benefit that dispraportionately helped the most senior. It certainly helped the company in heavy months, but it also cost them needlessly in the trough months.

Premium pay frankly is one of those things that cause pilots to only care about maintaining there own comfy bed, maybe without it we can actually think about better pay and benefits for the whole group. If it ever was to return, I would rather see a premium between 78-100 hours and back to straight pay above 100 hours (no pay caps), but that is just my opinion.

Either way, this is likely to be a very uncertain and tumultuous several years ahead of us and most would be wise to avoid the situation entirely by going to companies that have good contracts, high paying widebody aircraft and big retirement numbers. Our slow growth may not even be possible in the coming months/years due to pilot attrition and training backlog (assuming we can even get new pilots to show up).

Sadly I still fly with some NO voters. They aren't necessarily happy with management, they just don't like unions because of their extremely conservative political ideology. Not many, but some. Good thing we only need 50%+1.

 

[FBN0223]

Never gonna happen. This group is a joke. 2 failed drive attempts. Guys still running back to clean with pax on board, stand up PA's. Guys walking around with their laptops trying to pick up open time. Back door dinners with management. Smoke and mirrors with NPS scores and Lift awards. 20% of this group would give up their 1st born for a DH turn.
I'm done blaming management. I blame us. It's too late. Remember when premium was at 70hrs? Remember those 13:30's? Oh but we will show them this time. We have no leverage! And putting in union will take at least 5 years for a CBA. Look how long it took for 3A. The real solution is to have some balls and leave.

Pilots double as groomers at Jetblue?

 

[Flyer1015]

The grass is greener on the other side. I'll be starting 3rd year Airbus FO pay soon and it will be 80/hr. If I had JetBlue's $96.21/hr that would mean $18,000-19,000 more for 2014! $96/hr is like 2nd year legacy FO pay for the A320. I know the premium pay is gone, but the actual increase in higher rates puts better pressure on the other LCCs (Frontier/Virgin/Spirit) to bring up their pay.

 

[kommutrdog]

The grass is greener on the other side. I'll be starting 3rd year Airbus FO pay soon and it will be 80/hr. If I had JetBlue's $96.21/hr that would mean $18,000-19,000 more for 2014! $96/hr is like 2nd year legacy FO pay for the A320. I know the premium pay is gone, but the actual increase in higher rates puts better pressure on the other LCCs (Frontier/Virgin/Spirit) to bring up their pay.

People are pi**ed because the company just completely ignored the agreed-upon peer-set average without any discussion whatsoever. Throw in the Walmart-quality healthcare plans which bluejet pilots now have and the fact we have ZERO INPUT on anything and you get an idea of why it's not all roses in the land of bluejet.

I didn't become an airline pilot so my wife and I have Walmart-quality healthcare with out-of-pocket limits of upwards of $13,400 annually.

Yes, you read that last part correctly.

One has to look at much more than just the hourly numbers. Pay doesn't mean squat without enforceable work rules and bluejet pilots have ZERO say in what goes into our 100% company-controlled "Flight Scheduling Manual".

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

People are pi**ed because the company just completely ignored the agreed-upon peer-set average without any discussion whatsoever. Throw in the Walmart-quality healthcare plans which bluejet pilots now have and the fact we have ZERO INPUT on anything and you get an idea of why it's not all roses in the land of bluejet.

I didn't become an airline pilot so my wife and I have Walmart-quality healthcare with out-of-pocket limits of upwards of $13,400 annually.

Yes, you read that last part correctly.

One has to look at much more than just the hourly numbers. Pay doesn't mean squat without enforceable work rules and bluejet pilots have ZERO say in what goes into our 100% company-controlled "Flight Scheduling Manual".

 

[Flyer1015]

13,400 max out of pocket is exorbitant! Yikes

 

[N311HK]

Guy in my crash pad. 12 days in a row, 40 hrs credit. 4 three days in a row; each worth 10hrs. Awesome work rules.