Jetblew Is MESSED up!

[linepilot]

Jetblew is messed up in so many ways.

If you want a real career in the airlines, you need to avoid this total waste of time.

 

[wt219200]

Jetblew is messed up in so many ways.

If you want a real career in the airlines, you need to avoid this total waste of time.

Where you headed?

 

[linepilot]

The first "destination" airline that will have me.

 

[Vingus]

We are 18% behind our peers (pay only) and their touted 13% raise is really only a 6% raise at my 90 hrs of credit. (They took our premium pay away)

I'm pissed.

 

[BentOver]

Can't believe they took away premium pay... JB has had that since they started.. That was always one of the major draws to JB....

 

[Pattern-Master]

Jetblue seems like a good place for regional FO's who will take anything no matter how bad it is there, older pilots that legacies wont look at and Jetblue knows they are not going to leave, or CapeAir pilots that never flew a jet and think of it as a "cool, i get to fly a jet" factor. Am i in the ballpark?

 

[Vingus]

Bingo

 

[N311HK]

Within 5 minutes if you can't figure out who the sucker in the room, odds are you're (we) the sucker.

 

[Skippy]

Justblike regionals, they need pilots to leave to keep labor costs low. Duh!
Training increases are only surpassed by labor savings. Boom goes the dynamite

 

[Andy]

The solution to reinstating premium pay is to stop flying overtime. If 1/4 of the pilots who normally fly overtime stop doing that for a couple of months, the company will likely reinstate premium pay.
Or at the very least, reduce the amount of overtime you fly.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Had enough? Send in a card!!!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

The solution to reinstating premium pay is to stop flying overtime. If 1/4 of the pilots who normally fly overtime stop doing that for a couple of months, the company will likely reinstate premium pay.
Or at the very least, reduce the amount of overtime you fly.

I completely agree with you.
Unfortunatly, JB has somehow convinced many of it's pilots that is some kind of benefit to be able to credit 120 hours a month. I know a couple that credit more than 150!
Fly me 70 and PAY ME as if it was 120!
A big anti-ALPA selling point last vote was that a union would instill pay caps.
I think another move would be for everyone to do 3-engine taxis, no directs, no calls to dispatch with personal phones, and no extra ordinary effort to make things work for just ONE week and let them take a gander at THOSE stats.
Never happen, though.
Too many "I got mine" pilots at JB.

 

[N311HK]

The solution to reinstating premium pay is to stop flying overtime. If 1/4 of the pilots who normally fly overtime stop doing that for a couple of months, the company will likely reinstate premium pay.
Or at the very least, reduce the amount of overtime you fly.

Never gonna happen. This group is a joke. 2 failed drive attempts. Guys still running back to clean with pax on board, stand up PA's. Guys walking around with their laptops trying to pick up open time. Back door dinners with management. Smoke and mirrors with NPS scores and Lift awards. 20% of this group would give up their 1st born for a DH turn.
I'm done blaming management. I blame us. It's too late. Remember when premium was at 70hrs? Remember those 13:30's? Oh but we will show them this time. We have no leverage! And putting in union will take at least 5 years for a CBA. Look how long it took for 3A. The real solution is to have some balls and leave.

 

[Smarta$$]

The solution to reinstating premium pay is to stop flying overtime. If 1/4 of the pilots who normally fly overtime stop doing that for a couple of months, the company will likely reinstate premium pay.
Or at the very least, reduce the amount of overtime you fly.

They will still offer premium pay when they are short staffed, like summer, holidays, and maybe weekends. They just don't want to pay premium for a day turn on a Tuesday in September.... I agree with you though, the less we pick up open time the more often they will offer premium pay. I agree with others about pilots here will still pick up trips aggressively. Hope we are wrong, but they will.

Frankly I honestly believe the new dependability policy and the make up of this new PEA are the way management wants our pay structured for the upcoming union vote and subsequent negotiations. They know from their BluePilots.com plants and from other sources that many pilots were withholding their cards till the PEA release and that a union vote would follow shortly after. This is their opening position for negotiations.

I don't think we will get the same premium system back in a CBA. It was a benefit that dispraportionately helped the most senior. It certainly helped the company in heavy months, but it also cost them needlessly in the trough months.

Premium pay frankly is one of those things that cause pilots to only care about maintaining there own comfy bed, maybe without it we can actually think about better pay and benefits for the whole group. If it ever was to return, I would rather see a premium between 78-100 hours and back to straight pay above 100 hours (no pay caps), but that is just my opinion.

Either way, this is likely to be a very uncertain and tumultuous several years ahead of us and most would be wise to avoid the situation entirely by going to companies that have good contracts, high paying widebody aircraft and big retirement numbers. Our slow growth may not even be possible in the coming months/years due to pilot attrition and training backlog (assuming we can even get new pilots to show up).

Sadly I still fly with some NO voters. They aren't necessarily happy with management, they just don't like unions because of their extremely conservative political ideology. Not many, but some. Good thing we only need 50%+1.

 

[FBN0223]

Never gonna happen. This group is a joke. 2 failed drive attempts. Guys still running back to clean with pax on board, stand up PA's. Guys walking around with their laptops trying to pick up open time. Back door dinners with management. Smoke and mirrors with NPS scores and Lift awards. 20% of this group would give up their 1st born for a DH turn.
I'm done blaming management. I blame us. It's too late. Remember when premium was at 70hrs? Remember those 13:30's? Oh but we will show them this time. We have no leverage! And putting in union will take at least 5 years for a CBA. Look how long it took for 3A. The real solution is to have some balls and leave.

Pilots double as groomers at Jetblue?