Airtran got played?

[Kenney G]

Any truth that in the arbitration hearings that SWA management went on record saying the "Threats" towards AirTran pilots were just a negotiating tactic. That there was no real threat?

 

[Kharma Police]

We never had an arbitration hearing. You must be referring to a post made by a tacky individual that used conjecture as to why one of our pilots made a sad and tragic decision.

 

[dicko]

We never had an arbitration hearing. You must be referring to a post made by a tacky individual that used conjecture as to why one of our pilots made a sad and tragic decision.

Hey KP,

I think he meant the DRC hearing. It was heard by an Arbitrator. The supposition and timing were misguided I agree.

The facts of what was said at the hearing, are a different story. They'll also be a matter of record. Somewhere, sometime.

 

[JT12345]

A troll thread now. Good timing dick wad.

 

[Kharma Police]

Hey KP,

I think he meant the DRC hearing. It was heard by an Arbitrator. The supposition and timing were misguided I agree.

The facts of what was said at the hearing, are a different story. They'll also be a matter of record. Somewhere, sometime.

Maybe so. I guess my question would be why SW would feel the need to admit to anything? I don't picture a member of SW Management admitting we got played like a James Bond villain explaining his elaborate plan to 007 before he gets fed to the sharks or cut with a laser. You're right though, time will tell.

 

[funnyman12]

SW management got caught in a lie on the stand. Russel testified that Airtran was never threatened and SW was clear about getting rid of the 717's. In cross examination ALPA revealed tapes of SW threatening Airtran and and saying they were keeping the 717's. Apparently Russel was pretty upset after cross examination. In clising arguments SWAPA claimed there were no threats and SW management was always planning on getting rid of the 717's. The arbitrator interrupted SWAPA to tell them that was contrary to testimony. Looks pretty bad for SWAPA/SW management.

 

[dicko]

Maybe so. I guess my question would be why SW would feel the need to admit to anything? I don't picture a member of SW Management admitting we got played like a James Bond villain explaining his elaborate plan to 007 before he gets fed to the sharks or cut with a laser. You're right though, time will tell.

Agreed.

The only difference may be that the people concerned were under oath ? I have no idea what that means these days

At the very least it was a good opportunity to talk about sharks and lasers ....

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

KP will take every opportunity to disparage anyone he doesn't agree with. With all his anger on the AT side, it's disappointing that he just doesn't cross over to Mecca sooner rather than later. He's senior to me, I might get to stay a month longer.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

SW management got caught in a lie on the stand. Russel testified that Airtran was never threatened and SW was clear about getting rid of the 717's. In cross examination ALPA revealed tapes of SW threatening Airtran and and saying they were keeping the 717's. Apparently Russel was pretty upset after cross examination. In clising arguments SWAPA claimed there were no threats and SW management was always planning on getting rid of the 717's. The arbitrator interrupted SWAPA to tell them that was contrary to testimony. Looks pretty bad for SWAPA/SW management.

Funny, you schooling KP. Were you surprised to hear it was a bluff? Wonder how that DFR suit will work out. If this is true, KP's antithesis Slick and Big Sis come out smelling like roses.

 

[PCL_128]

Don't start throwing a "we were right" party just yet. The arbitration testimony was hardly as interesting as people are making it out to be. Russ is no idiot. He knows how to dance around the truth enough to not outright lie while still covering his employer's ass. There were no smoking guns in any of the testimony (except for Tom Winsor making an ass of himself by saying that the SWA pilots would be thrilled if the AirTran pilots had been put out on the street).

 

[madjack]

Winsor is no idiot...what was the question he was responding to?

 

[madjack]

And what was his exact answer?

 

[Kharma Police]

Funny, you schooling KP. Were you surprised to hear it was a bluff? Wonder how that DFR suit will work out. If this is true, KP's antithesis Slick and Big Sis come out smelling like roses.

Sorry if this hurts your feelings but did you even read what the funnyman wrote?

 

[PCL_128]

And what was his exact answer?

Katz: Is it not true that the Southwest pilots would have been thrilled if the AirTran pilots were not integrated?

Winsor: Oh yeah! Probably so.

 

[funnyman12]

Thanks kharma....obviously he did not

 

[PCL_128]

FYI, there were no tapes of Southwest threatening AirTran presented in the arbitration at all. The only tape submitted into evidence was of Russ saying that the 717s would be around until the leases expired.

 

[vixin]

That they would for sure be or might be. Big difference. My guess is SWA management never made it a guarantee.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Not throwing a party, in fact don't have high hopes at all, hence the "if", I should have capitalized it to make it a BIG "IF".

 

[PCL_128]

That they would for sure be or might be. Big difference. My guess is SWA management never made it a guarantee.

While true that they never used the word "guarantee" or something similar (and that was his excuse in testimony), there were also no caveats given in his comments on tape, either. Like I said, I certainly don't consider it to be some sort of smoking gun, but it certainly wasn't good for SWA and their Golden Rule claims.

 

[Lear70]

That they would for sure be or might be. Big difference. My guess is SWA management never made it a guarantee.

I've been telling you guys for YEARS that we RECORDED some of the road shows where Russ M and other SWA management reps were VERY clear that the 717's were remaining "at least until their leases expire", and we had a detailed list courtesy of AAi management of each hull number and when each one went away.

You guys have said many times that you didn't believe me, but like I said, when it was appropriate, that tape would come back out for posterity, and now it has.

It will be very, very interesting if the arbitrator makes any mention in his ruling of the "misleading statements" from SWA management made to influence AirTran to take a deal rather than go to arbitration.