Airtran got played?

[jball2]

When does Javits produce his opinion?

 

[FlyinGuy]

This is why SWAPA claimed that this was not the venue for this type of complaint. The DRC is for list or other administrative discrepancies. If Jarvis gives a ruling in favor of ALPA, SWAPA will be required to go seek the remedy from SWA for another union. Do you see any problems with this? If SWA says no, what is ALPA to do now. They will probably have to take SWAPA and SWA to court (in different filings), all while the AT dues are rapidly dissapearing. This complaint should have went through the court system, but this was chosen for expediency. If anything, it will be entertaining. The only quick resolution would be if Jarvis does not award anything to AT, but he is an arbitrator so I am sure he will try and split the baby. Strap in for a long ride!

 

[Lear70]

Is there a recording of the MEC meeting when you helped lead the charge to torpedo AP1?

Yup. No secret there. I didn't like AIP 1 and I didn't like AIP 2 either. I voted yes on the SIA (AIP 2) because the pilot group believed the threats coming from MV and other SWA management, aided by the Merger Committee ("If you want to work for SWA, vote Yes. If not, vote No") and was imploding. If we hadn't passed AIP 2, we would have gone towards arbitration, the threats would have become more overt and direct, and while I believe ultimately we would have been integrated, the majority of the pilots believed the threats and probably would have gone begging for a staple.

This was the internal conversation at the last MC/NC session where I was the last lone "No" vote holdout. And yes, there's notes on that, too.

 

[Lear70]

It really does not matter what the arbitrator says. This is just step one of many.

SWA can just say NO to anything that the arbitrator rules on .

No, they can't. When they do that, it goes to the full NMB board to be upheld. The NMB can fine the company tens of thousands of dollars every day until they comply.

If the Arbitrator issues a ruling and any appeal by SWAPA fails, SWA WILL implement the ruling. I also predict that if the ruling has anything in it like I mentioned before, there will be many more DRC, NMB and probably legal filings to come for many, many years.

 

[Lear70]

This is why SWAPA claimed that this was not the venue for this type of complaint. The DRC is for list or other administrative discrepancies. If Jarvis gives a ruling in favor of ALPA, SWAPA will be required to go seek the remedy from SWA for another union. Do you see any problems with this? If SWA says no, what is ALPA to do now. They will probably have to take SWAPA and SWA to court (in different filings), all while the AT dues are rapidly dissapearing. This complaint should have went through the court system, but this was chosen for expediency. If anything, it will be entertaining. The only quick resolution would be if Jarvis does not award anything to AT, but he is an arbitrator so I am sure he will try and split the baby. Strap in for a long ride!

^^^ THIS ^^^

There will be many more court battles to come, both in DRC and the legal system, if an award comes out that changes items that were in the SLI in it and uses the basis of either SWA changing the deal after the fact (717's going away) or tampering with the results (veiled threats/intimidation) in the decision explanation from Jarvits.

This is going to drag out just like USAirways/AWA, just in a different way. SWA management should never have stuck their nose in an A-M / M-B seniority negotiation. In fact, I find it a violation of the text and premise of Allegheny-Mohawk that management was involved at all. It says the seniority integration is between two unions, not two unions and their management teams. That's why every OTHER airline management stays out of it, they don't want to get dragged into court for years to come for tampering with the results of A-M negotiations.

Like you said, strap in, it's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

 

[Kharma Police]

Yup. No secret there. I didn't like AIP 1 and I didn't like AIP 2 either. I voted yes on the SIA (AIP 2) because the pilot group believed the threats coming from MV and other SWA management, aided by the Merger Committee ("If you want to work for SWA, vote Yes. If not, vote No") and was imploding. If we hadn't passed AIP 2, we would have gone towards arbitration, the threats would have become more overt and direct, and while I believe ultimately we would have been integrated, the majority of the pilots believed the threats and probably would have gone begging for a staple.

This was the internal conversation at the last MC/NC session where I was the last lone "No" vote holdout. And yes, there's notes on that, too.

Nice spin.

 

[funnyman12]

Lear..Ive read your email to Frank Early after the MEC voted no on AIP1. You sounded like a frightened boy. "Frank im really freaking out man" "I had no idea the threats were so specific" You email him *********************ing your pants and then post on forums flexing your muscles. I cant remember the rest of your email but boy was it a gem. It had "surrender monkey" written all over it. If there is one thing the DFR lawsuit has done, It has exposed the truth. The total lack of integrity between your email to Frank an you public forum stance is disappointing.

 

[funnyman12]

Oh and the email from Bruce York to SH stating.."not only do I recommend the MEC sending AIP2 out to the pilot group, I also recommended the first to be sent out". But our MEC at the time claimed the lawyers never said that. The truth is all in writing.

 

[vixin]

Who wants the truth?

 

[FatesPawn]

(except for Tom Winsor making an ass of himself by saying that the SWA pilots would be thrilled if the AirTran pilots had been put out on the street).

Bull.

Actually it was your Counsel that made that statement. I simply agreed with him. Maybe you weren't copied on the transcript.

And he didn't ask if our pilots "would be thrilled if the AirTran pilots had been put out on the street."

He asked if, in my opinion, our pilots would be delighted if the AirTran pilot were not integrated into the operations of Southwest.

The answer to that question is "Yes." I never wanted anyone on the street. The vast majority of Southwest pilots do not want anybody on the street. Having been furloughed before I have a good perspective of that.

I thought you would have learned your lesson about cyber-bullying. Your relevance continues to wane on this topic.

Tom Winsor