Alaska contract

[Old School 737]

Can't they just do premium pay trips instead of vsa ...

 

[heywood jablome]

Guys,

I heard from a Capt. "in the know" that management's position on negotiating any scope protection for us was "a non-starter" from day one...no matter what.

Kind of makes you wonder why that is SO important to them? Hmmmmmm......sounds like a HUGE red flag to me.

No scope=no YES vote. It's really not that complicated.

 

[Old School 737]

Guys,

I heard from a Capt. "in the know" that management's position on negotiating any scope protection for us was "a non-starter" from day one...no matter what.

Kind of makes you wonder why that is SO important to them? Hmmmmmm......sounds like a HUGE red flag to me.

No scope=no YES vote. It's really not that complicated.

So if that's the case .... Worst we can do is send it back and they throw more money and 401k until we vote yes...

But I would rather have scope..!!!

 

[imacdog]

Sounds like they have big plans for Skywest in the future.

 

[Ski Bum]

Another "Against" vote.

Anyone who has ever operated in section 25 of our current book knows that what was "negotiated" and the "intent" doesn't mean anything unless it is written. And most of what is written is vague. The NC's explanations, if they are so great, should be written in the contract's language.

 

[msmb]

There is no such thing as a "non starter" .... They may not like or want it but that's why they call it negotiations!

 

[igneousy2]

Can't they just do premium pay trips instead of vsa ...

The difference between a premium trip and VSA is that a premium trip is posted for all to see/pick-up once the trip becomes open. The company has to post it and hold their breath that somebody is going to pick it up. A pilot "picking up VSA" basically puts himself on reserve on his day off for the company. IF a trip becomes availalbe and the company chooses to use the VSA pilot, then the trip is paid at 150%. If the pilot is not assigned a trip, the pilot is paid nothing. The VSA pilot must accept a trip assigned during a period that they voluteered for VSA.

VSA is so damaging to the staffing formula because the company can/does use VSA as a free reserve system. They can staff reserve to the bare bones because they KNOW that on any given day they are going to have a certain number of pilots signed up for VSA. So for every pilot they can count on a day to sign up for VSA, that is 3-4 less pilots the company needs to be on reserve.

You have to truly have no-life to want to volunteer for VSA. I commute, and even though I have days where I am in my base with too little time to go home but enough time too pick up a trip...I would NEVER EVER IMAGINE sitting RESERVE for the company FOR FREE. Premium pick-ups, sure. Nobody is on furlough, knock yourself out. VSA...REALLY...if you are going to volunteer, go volunteer at a soup-kitchen or an animal shelter.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

The difference between a premium trip and VSA is that a premium trip is posted for all to see/pick-up once the trip becomes open. The company has to post it and hold their breath that somebody is going to pick it up. A pilot "picking up VSA" basically puts himself on reserve on his day off for the company. IF a trip becomes availalbe and the company chooses to use the VSA pilot, then the trip is paid at 150%. If the pilot is not assigned a trip, the pilot is paid nothing. The VSA pilot must accept a trip assigned during a period that they voluteered for VSA.

VSA is so damaging to the staffing formula because the company can/does use VSA as a free reserve system. They can staff reserve to the bare bones because they KNOW that on any given day they are going to have a certain number of pilots signed up for VSA. So for every pilot they can count on a day to sign up for VSA, that is 3-4 less pilots the company needs to be on reserve.

You have to truly have no-life to want to volunteer for VSA. I commute, and even though I have days where I am in my base with too little time to go home but enough time too pick up a trip...I would NEVER EVER IMAGINE sitting RESERVE for the company FOR FREE. Premium pick-ups, sure. Nobody is on furlough, knock yourself out. VSA...REALLY...if you are going to volunteer, go volunteer at a soup-kitchen or an animal shelter.

Are you implying that the day someone has signed up for VSA, he is sitting reserve and must report for duty if called out?

 

[Mamma]

I tried VSA once when I saw FO Reserves were low. Since I never tried it I called in to see if I did it right and what my odds were. I was #35 on the list. Never tried that again.

 

[tico]

At least voting" I am against the ALA Contract 2013 Tentative Agreement" was simple this time....what were there, 112 of us last time

 

[Old School 737]

At least voting" I am against the ALA Contract 2013 Tentative Agreement" was simple this time....what were there, 112 of us last time

I think 199!! I am a proud member ! And and on this vote as well !!

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

non-starter... Hah!

From Heywood: I heard from a Capt. "in the know" that management's position on negotiating any scope protection for us was "a non-starter" from day one... no matter what.

If management is telling you your jobs are safe or that they're in it for the long haul or that there are not now - or will be in the future - plans to outsource or contract routes, then writing a scope clause won't cost 'em a dime & logically, becomes a non-issue to write. Remember, if it's worth saying, it's worth putting on paper!

However, if management refuses to address scope or remains silent on future plans...

A strong scope clause is the foundation of a contract. It sure ain't glamorous. In fact, it's downright boring. But without it, your whole contract is weak and at risk! Translated, that means your whole pilot group - including 20 year captains - are at risk!

 

[jonjuan]

Skywest just ordered another 100 E-175s today. They must know something about where they expect to put them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...0617?feedType=RSS&feedName=marketsNews&rpc=43

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Skywest just ordered another 100 E-175s today. They must know something about where they expect to put them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...0617?feedType=RSS&feedName=marketsNews&rpc=43

I'm not saying none of those will have Eskimos on their tails, but who's to say they won't fly for the 3 big legacies? How old are their oldest CRJ-700s? Maybe some are replacement aircraft too.

 

[rtmcfi]

Between firm orders and options, SkyWest inc now has 600 new 75+ seat airplanes on the way. The Alaska pilots will get what they deserve from this contract vote. Don't get all butt-hurt when the SkyWest airplanes take a whole bunch of flying you currently do. The SkyWest pilots have no say in this. The Alaska pilots do. See you in line at Ivars!