AMR also believes that the west pilots case is ripe!

[vetrider]

USAPA represents former West and East...

USAPA is protecting the interests of both east and west....

Metrojet

The former yes. The latter? Lol, surely you can't be serious.

 

[abefly]

USAPA represents former West and East, but operating under different contracts right - I think we agree on that. And since there is no j c b a that was ever signed - then we have separate lists.

The only way for the Nic to have been active - was if the west members and east members ratified a joint contract. That is not going to occur now - so therefore no ripeness or breach of DFR. That is what the judge is going to rule.

The American filing for intervention is just to remove any delay from the addington plaintiffs in the timetable of the mou.

USAPA is protecting the interests of both east and west and APA will protect the interests of their members.

Metrojet

The MOU is a CBA for east and west. That is what is at case here. Don't you get it. There is no more East and West on the POR. We will be one big happy family. So enjoy the August bid. The next one will be open system wide with west pilots coming eastbound!

 

[OARfan]

The MOU is a CBA for east and west. That is what is at case here. Don't you get it. There is no more East and West on the POR. We will be one big happy family. So enjoy the August bid. The next one will be open system wide with west pilots coming eastbound!

Good, maybe then I can get westbound. PHL's a real garden spot. You'll love it out here!

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA represents former West and East, but operating under different contracts right - I think we agree on that. And since there is no j c b a that was ever signed - then we have separate lists.
Metrojet

The Nic list is valid and accepted by USAirways, merely non-implemented. There is no lack of evidence in the form of correspondence, hotlines, memos, and more that can quickly prove that USAPA decided to choose to advance the cause of the east pilots at the expense of the west.

The court will agree that the MOU constitutes a single agreement and triggers the implementation of the the Nic list. If there is a vacancy bid prior to the completion of the SLI arbitration, those pilots senior enough to hold their desired positions will do so. There will be some very very very junior captains who will remain so for quite a while.

You will likely not even notice when the Nic is implemented, There probably won't be an solar eclipse, or eathquake. But the comraderie among the east pilots who suffered unnecessarily under LOA93 so that a few could grab an upgrade they were not due, that I am sure will take a serious blow.

 

[TWA Dude]

If I may ask a simple question to the Westies? Do you really think that APA is going to accept the Nic that puts almost 1700 pilots slotted in way ahead of all those 1980's and 1990's DOH AA pilots.?

The APA is terrified of arbitration. They're used to dictating seniority to merging pilots. They're going to try to do exactly what you Easties are trying to do us and they're going to us the same tactics: lying, cheating, stealing, crying, and screaming. And I guarantee you they will do it better and more effectively than USAPA.

You Easties have marginalized over a third of USAirways pilots and that will hurt us all in the arbitration hearings. Your begging for DOH will be met with the same response as George Nicolau: come back with a more realistic proposal.

If I may ask a simple question to the Easties? Who do you think has more to gain from this merger, the APA or us?
We're gonna need all the leverage we can get but you Easties have ensured we'll have darn little...

 

[pave driver]

The SLI will be completed in arbitration and will not be DOH and will be over with soon. Currently USAPA is working to change their angle - relative integration as of 14 FEB 13. Interesting. I'll keep you posted as I get solid information.

 

[Flopgut]

How soon is "soon"? Any chance this SLI is done before August?

 

[pave driver]

How soon is "soon"? Any chance this SLI is done before August?

No chance of it being completed that soon. Looking like next year.

 

[Flopgut]

Ok, thanks. Best of luck to this new list.

 

[TWA Dude]

How soon is "soon"? Any chance this SLI is done before August?

Try 2015. A minimum of 18 months after the merger closes. Just scheduling three arbitrators at once takes 6-12 months lead time. The MOU provides a timeline but the arbitrators go by their own.

 

[abefly]

How soon is "soon"? Any chance this SLI is done before August?

The US Air/ America West SLI was done years ago and will be done once Judge Silver rules. Hearing is Tuesday.

The US Air/ American SLI will be next year.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The SLI will be completed in arbitration and will not be DOH and will be over with soon. Currently USAPA is working to change their angle - relative integration as of 14 FEB 13. Interesting. I'll keep you posted as I get solid information.

And that keeps them out of court HOW?

 

[pave driver]

And that keeps them out of court HOW?

It does not keep them out of court.

 

[pave driver]

The US Air/ America West SLI was done years ago and will be done once Judge Silver rules. Hearing is Tuesday.

The US Air/ American SLI will be next year.

Yes. Mixed metal and crews this year. SLI next year.

 

[TWA Dude]

Yes. Mixed metal and crews this year. SLI next year.

More examples of Eastie cluelessness. Such obtuseness can only be deliberate.

Mixed metal after the POR? Possibly but I wouldn't bet on it happening right away.

Mixed crews? Zero chance. Two different scheduling systems can't be combined without months of lead time and that process hasn't even begun. Plus, you can't mix crews with out a combined list in effect. Unless, of course, you meant the Nicolau list.

SLI next year? Um, I know you think the world revolves around the East but I assure you the arbitrators will go by their own schedule and not our MOU.