American hiring this summer yes or no?

[aa73]

I believe nothing that the VP Flight says.

OK then, now we have our APA Furlough Committee member who just told the last recall class that AA has started up the pilot hiring department down at the schoolhouse. So either they're both lying or <SHOCK!> there just might be some validity to this.

Some of you conspiracy theorists really blow me away.

 

[Turtle21]

So if someone gets hired off the street by October, how long should should it be until they get furloughed?

September! What do I win?

 

[Flybywire44]

How long do you see both carriers hiring separately? Also, anyone hired after the date of the merger on both sides is date of hire right?

I would think no more than a year after POR. Two departments seems inefficient.

The date of Constructive Notice for the Seniority List Intigration Snapshot is February 14, 2013.

I would expect anyone hired after 2/14/13 to be merged DOH. Furlough protection will be given to those hired at AA or USAir prior to POR in late August or early September.

 

[Dornier 335]

Is AA training pilots already for the A320?

 

[i fly boxes]

Yes they are

 

[aa73]

Is AA training pilots already for the A320?

The first A320 bid awards were just posted yesterday, effective June 1 for an August start date. DFW/320/Domestic. It went amazingly senior given how screwed up the initial training will be: For some strange reason, they will train them on the Bus in June, then release them back to their previous bid status for a month via a quick recurrent, then after a month, re-train them on the Bus via another quick recurrent. Ugh!

Bottom CA seniority was around 2900, bottom FO seniority around 6200.

This was only 9 CAs and FOs... it will go up to 20/month after this so my guess is it will start going a lot more junior.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

AA, where did you get that 20 a month figure from? I was shocked by how senior it went. And to think someone in my seniority range (9200) might have a shot. Hopefully it will begin to go much more junior in the coming months.

 

[aa73]

The manager of crew planning had stated that the Bus initial class would be small but would increase to around 20/month as deliveries start happening. So that's why we think it'll start going more junior as it picks up.

Any way you slice it, DFW awards will always be more senior than other bases.

Good to see ya back Herk, it's been a while! :beer:

 

[i fly boxes]

Bump - any updates?

 

[rjacobs]

I heard they are possibly shooting for some time in June to open the app window with interviews to follow for September new hire classes. Nothing concrete yet, but just a time frame that was thrown around.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Is AA training pilots already for the A320?

Does it become a Super 320 with a couple AA pilots up front?

 

[Data]

Does it become a Super 320 with a couple AA pilots up front?

Nah, it becomes the Luftwaffe 320!

 

[Trogdor]

The date of Constructive Notice for the Seniority List Intigration Snapshot is February 14, 2013.

Where did you get this info? I haven't seen a date posted anywhere.

 

[StopNTSing]

What do we know?

• The 2014 rest rules are approaching and will increase pilot staffing by ~5%.
• 58 American pilots reach age 65 in 2013. ~253 APA pilots will reach age 65 before SLI integration.
• US Airways pilot hiring has repeatedly stated that hiring will continue indefinitely beyond 2013.
• The newAmerican MTA gives furlough protection for all pilots on property by POR, which should be submitted August, 2013. There must be some growth occurring for Management to agree to this.
• AA training departments are spooling up and expanding for B777, B737 and A319 deliveries. Further expansion will be needed to anticipate for coming retirements.
• Scope is being severely relaxed at newAmerican. This may provide feed for domestic and international up-gauging and growth.
• POR will bring full code sharing between LCC and AMR for further up-gauging and international growth.
• AMR is taking delivery of 777s and has 16 on order thru 2016 or 1 every 86 days (assuming none have been delivered and 1382 days).
• AMR is taking delivery of 100 B737s thru 2017 or 1 every 17.5 days (assuming non have been delivered and 1747 days). How much growth is here?
• AMR will take deliveries of 130 A319/A321 from July of 2013 thru 2016 or 1 every 12.6 days (assuming 1632 days). How much growth is here?
• This is a little far off, but it close enough to mention that AMR will take delivery of 42 787s from November 2014 thru September 2018 or 1 every 34 days (assuming 1429 days).

So will American hire this summer? I think so.

All sounds great for you guys, and I hope the new-hires start showing up soon. I did have to laugh a little bit at the bold font bullet, though. If relaxing scope this time can actually be found to increase mainline growth, that would be an industry first.

 

[1x1]

Is the likelihood of American using AirlineApps.com as their vendor for applications high? Anyone have any insight?

 

[aa73]

Does it become a Super 320 with a couple AA pilots up front?

No, but we will be known as "Airboss" pilots. imp:

 

[LAXSaabdude]

As of yesterday, it was announced that AA had gotten through the last of the recalls in the 6/19 class. Are they still filling that class?

 

[matchthehatch]

Can also say that the May 15 class consists not of 25 pilots, but 34 (42-8 MLOA). Not sure why planning added 9, but a positive sign.

 

[dojetdriver]

All sounds great for you guys, and I hope the new-hires start showing up soon. I did have to laugh a little bit at the bold font bullet, though. If relaxing scope this time can actually be found to increase mainline growth, that would be an industry first.

Funny. Because in the pre 9/11 scope relaxation at the legacies, that was the SAME tactic that was used;

"the growth is ALL international, but to feed this growth we need the RJ's to feed the hubs an vice versa..............."

Or the UAL mid-term ESOP vote where they exchanged RJ's for WB orders (that never came) and the pillots had a case of HJS, Heavy Jet Syndrome.

 

[Wingman10]

It appears from other boards that the Chief has mentioned new hires in the Fall. If the recall classes continue ( and it looks as if they will) then
that time frame seems about right. Bottom AA person should be receiving their recall letter any day now..

Good to see opportunities for those that choose to return. Maybe some forward movement for those on property. The ship is turning around slowly.