Mideast Airlines Taking Over

[General Lee]

While I am sure they don't have 5th freedom rights; Emirates is starting DXB-MXP-JFK this year. Who knows what that could lead to...

That may be true, but most large East Coast airports lack gate space. They also used to fly A330s and 777s from Dubai to Hamburg, Germany, and onto JFK. That didn't last that long at all.


Emirates set to fly Hamburg-New York JFK
Published: 13/04/2006 - Filed under: News »

Emirates will challenge European and US transatlantic carriers on their home turf this autumn. That is when the Dubai-based national airline is set to launch daily flights between Hamburg in Northern Germany and New York's JFK airport. The service, which originates in Dubai, is expected to get under way on October 29. It will be operated by a three class B777-300.

Although the schedules aren't yet displayed on Emirates' website, a spokesperson for Emirates says, "We can confirm that Emirates does have plans to start additional services to Hamburg which will link to JFK."

According to preliminary timings, flight EK205 will depart Dubai at 0855 to reach Hamburg at 1255, departing from there at 1440 to reach New York at 1700. In the reverse direction flight EK206 departs New York at 2315 to arrive Hamburg at 1235 the next day. Departure from Hamburg is at 1415 with an arrival in Dubai later the same day at 2325.

Emirates launched Dubai-Hamburg flights only last month (March) so this move next autumn (when the existing A330 is switched to a larger B777) means a service upgrade.

Hamburg is one of Germany's wealthiest cities and the airport's catchment area covers Northern Germany, Berlin and areas of Denmark. Yet it is poorly served by long distance flights. Lufthansa, for example, hasn't a single long haul flight from Hamburg. As a result, passengers seeking to reach the outside world invariably have to change planes at another hub.

One exception, besides Emirates, is US airline Continental which operates a five times a week service to New York Newark using a two-class B757.

Business class flights to New York next November are currently priced by online agent Travelocity as costing £3,323 return with Continental, £2,294 with Lufthansa (via Frankfurt), £2,277 with SAS (via Copenhagen), £1,784 with BA (via London) and £1,723 with Air France (via Paris).

Emirates is expected to price keenly in all classes and will operate a wide-bodied B777 which has more passenger appeal than Continental's narrow-bodied B757.

This autumn's Dubai-New York service via Hamburg means Emirates will be flying the route thrice daily. As now, the two daily non-stop services operated by Airbus A340-500s will continue. But one of these Airbus flights will be upgraded to a larger B777-300 aircraft from September 1.

Emirates' New York services are proving to be popular. Passengers are drawn both from the Middle East region and the Indian subcontinent. The latter is poorly served by direct flights so passengers originating in, say, India find it easier to take Emirates from one of various gateways and change in Dubai.

For more information go to emirates.com

Report by Alex McWhirter




They would love to get into the high prices markets of LHR, CDG, and FRA to JFK, but can't get approval or slots. Those government's don't want to sacrifice their own countries airlines, it would be political suicide. Looks like Italy doesn't seem to care, but the others seem to. Etihad just bought 3 LHR slots from Jet Airways of India, but they are keeping them with Jet Airways to India.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[crxpilot]

The only thing the middle east is good for is to take a dump in.

 

[greed]

The only thing the middle east is good for is to take a dump in.

Actually I have to disagree with you, they do not appreciate the concept of 'extra soft' toilet paper, can make for a painful experience

 

[Varmint]

While I am sure they don't have 5th freedom rights; Emirates is starting DXB-MXP-JFK this year. Who knows what that could lead to...

So what? Delta hubs through Tokyo.

 

[Flyer1015]

concerns that they are deeply subsidized by their governments.

There it is

Airlines here have also been "subsidized" by our government here. Post 9/11 bail out, Chptr 11 rules to wipe out debt, and not to mention airlines here were government subsidized up until 1978 deregulation. Were others overseas complaining about the US's unfair advantage?

 

[jonjuan]

Airlines here have also been "subsidized" by our government here. Post 9/11 bail out, Chptr 11 rules to wipe out debt, and not to mention airlines here were government subsidized up until 1978 deregulation. Were others overseas complaining about the US's unfair advantage?

So, airlines that went ch11 have had their debt wiped away by the govt? I didn't realize that. I always thought it was private investors. Good thing they no longer have debt then.

 

[Flyer1015]

So, airlines that went ch11 have had their debt wiped away by the govt? I didn't realize that. I always thought it was private investors. Good thing they no longer have debt then.

The government sets up laws. That was my point. Chptr 11 is allowed and yes it's investors.

 

[Full of LUV]

The government sets up laws. That was my point. Chptr 11 is allowed and yes it's investors.

All the laws do is give the corporation time to reorganize while the creditors decide how the BK will play out.
Think of it as your late on your rent for two months, landlord can't padlock the door without an eviction in court, but eventually, you either negotiate or you do get locked out.
Airlines have lots of people willing to loan them capital, especially with planes/engines/equip as collateral. When they go BK, it's often more profitable to take your lumps to capture future business than force a liquidation.
Funny that so many assume that BK means the govt has in any way soaked the taxpayers with a bill.... that only happens in the banking industry.

 

[Furloughed80]

So what? Delta hubs through Tokyo.

Delta has a hub in JFK as well; and they fly JFK-MXP. What does NRT have to do with this?

 

[jonjuan]

All the laws do is give the corporation time to reorganize while the creditors decide how the BK will play out.
Think of it as your late on your rent for two months, landlord can't padlock the door without an eviction in court, but eventually, you either negotiate or you do get locked out.
Airlines have lots of people willing to loan them capital, especially with planes/engines/equip as collateral. When they go BK, it's often more profitable to take your lumps to capture future business than force a liquidation.
Funny that so many assume that BK means the govt has in any way soaked the taxpayers with a bill.... that only happens in the banking industry.

Yep- yet flyer thinks it's in someway similar to the govt subsidization of ME carriers. I suppose if you want to be liberal in your use of the definition, you could say Jblu was subsidized (receiving govt help to grow) and of course virgin America who is very heavily "subsidized" by foreign entities without who's help, they would already be tits up.