SWA to speed up Airtran integration.....article

[Newpilot2b]

How about : It isn't a "merger" it is an "acquisition". There's a difference. One company "bought" the other. They didn't get together over a beer and say "hey, let's "merge".

 

[frostyboy]

GL's obsession with SWA is disturbing!!

 

[General Lee]

GL's obsession with SWA is disturbing!!

No, when I see something that is an injustice, I give plenty of opinions about it. Over the last 11 years on here I have picked on a lot of groups that deserved it, like the US Easties, certain Comair guys, and now specific Corndogs. They are always welcome to give their own opinions or retorts, or just ignore. Whatever...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

I personally enjoy the General's perspective...the personal insults do detract and you risk becoming Ty Webb jr...using insult as argument...

 

[dicko]

Ditto

Agreed.

More importantly, I covet that mustache. If Magnum P.I.ever dies, I'm gonna buy it and sell it to the next prospective ALPA President. He'll be unstoppable.

 

[dicko]

Not sure where you live, but many guys in Vegas bid PM lines, and commute in on day one then fly a redeye home on day 3 or 4. No Hotel bills, unless you want to stay for the entertainment.

Sounds like a great quality of life; as opposed to driving twenty minutes to work for the same money. A red eye at the end of every trip. :erm:

 

[PCL_128]

Not sure where you live, but many guys in Vegas bid PM lines, and commute in on day one then fly a redeye home on day 3 or 4. No Hotel bills, unless you want to stay for the entertainment.

A red eye that gets me back home at 7am on a day off is still a lost day off. An 18 day off line still becomes a 14 day off line.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

No, these threads bring out what was WRONG with specific mergers, so hopefully it won't happen again, or will be handled differently next time. Like:

1. When two groups merge, management should NOT favor one side over the other. That never created unity, between pilot groups or with the new company. Stay out of integration management.....

2. When you say you will do something in a prior agreement, follow through. (That goes for US Easties and the agreement to do binding arbitration, and certain management types from another airline apparently agreeing to things, and then not.....)

3. Don't pay different payrates for the same plane type. No, not good. No unity there. Same pay in a joint contract is the FIRST thing done in a successful merger. Same pay takes the sting away from the eventual SLI.


4. Don't take years to integrate. Come on! Unity? Have enough money to complete the merger fully after the purchase is made...



No merger is perfect, but these latest mergers had airlines that had the benefit of watching a couple go first. One went relatively well, the other did not. No excuses.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Why do you have such a hard on for SWA? Because I can guarantee you that I could care less about Delta.

 

[General Lee]

I personally enjoy the General's perspective...the personal insults do detract and you risk becoming Ty Webb jr...using insult as argument...

I try to avoid it, but sometimes it is unavoidable.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Why do you have such a hard on for SWA? Because I can guarantee you that I could care less about Delta.

Wait, you COULD CARE LESS? So, you do care a lot? That's awesome. Hey, look up Yahoo Aviation finance each morning and find out the latest and greatest at DL. Enjoy it.

Btw, I wish I didn't have to read and hear about the injustices at your place. Please fix them, so I don't have to continue to debate how poorly you merged. Really, it didn't have to be that way. You had two examples of how to merge before your turn, and I think you took the wrong path....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Turtle21]

i personally enjoy the general's perspective...the personal insults do detract and you risk becoming ty webb jr...using insult as argument...

16,725

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

How about : It isn't a "merger" it is an "acquisition". There's a difference. One company "bought" the other. They didn't get together over a beer and say "hey, let's "merge".

In the eyes of arbitrators there is no difference.

 

[Toecutter]

No, when I see something that is an injustice, I give plenty of opinions about it. Over the last 11 years on here I have picked on a lot of groups that deserved it, like the US Easties, certain Comair guys, and now specific Corndogs. They are always welcome to give their own opinions or retorts, or just ignore. Whatever...



Bye Bye---General Lee

Injustice? I guess it's all the the eye of the beholder. Just a little history on Delta. Did you know that the Pan Am pilots had to wait 36 months for pay parity at Delta?, and, All Pan Am pilots had to be based in New York for two years before they could bid into another Delta domicle?.(Not a big deal for A310s, but most 727 guys were Miami based at the time.) Some senior 727 captains took as much as a 12 year seniority loss. (Meaning back to right seat at Pam Am 727 FO pay.) Basically a 60% pay cut. Now I know you're going to say that they rescued 600 pilots from the sinking Pan Am Titanic, but do you think that's the fair treatment that you keep talking about?

 

[Lear70]

Oh God not again...

 

[General Lee]

Injustice? I guess it's all the the eye of the beholder. Just a little history on Delta. Did you know that the Pan Am pilots had to wait 36 months for pay parity at Delta?, and, All Pan Am pilots had to be based in New York for two years before they could bid into another Delta domicle?.(Not a big deal for A310s, but most 727 guys were Miami based at the time.) Some senior 727 captains took as much as a 12 year seniority loss. (Meaning back to right seat at Pam Am 727 FO pay.) Basically a 60% pay cut. Now I know you're going to say that they rescued 600 pilots from the sinking Pan Am Titanic, but do you think that's the fair treatment that you keep talking about?

You're right Lear, here we go again......First of all, this was a partial asset sale, and the Pan Am guys could have stayed with Pan Am afterwards. It was their choice. The Airtran guys had no choice. You said Pan Am guys were bumped down to FO. There were 30 Pan Am 747 pilots that bid the Pan Am Shuttle on the 727 Capt (bumped their own guys off), just to make sure they ended up going to DL, and then they got back to the 767ER as a Captain as they finished their careers, instead of the unemployment line. I'd say they did a lot better paywise than the alternative. So, try not to compare the Pan Am situation with the Airtran situation. It was all voluntary, and it happened 20 years ago. If stuff like that still happens today, that is a shame. But keep bringing up the past and trying to justify it. These latest mergers have NOT gone well, and that didn't have to happen.



Bye Bye---General Lee