Weak L-UAL pilots

[ATRCA]

Maybe the UAL group is growing tired of getting blindsided by JP. Maybe this group is willing to live with a subpar contract for 4+ years to finally get rid of the management shill, something the CAL pilots should have done years ago. By not confronting JP and his minions shows the CAL pilots approve and support his antics. Not one motion floored to recall, not one "vote of no confidence", a failed recall of his biggest supporters Barron and Cook. Maybe UAL guys ARE the trade unionists everyone thought they were, willing to take it in the back side for 4 more years to get rid of a management wannabe that holds the Master Chairman position at CAL. The UAL pilots don't control JP, the CAL pilots do. CAL wants unity now for a NO vote, where were you for the last 2 1/2 years when your MC was the speed bump in the process? Your silence was deafening. If this TA passes you're as much to blame as the YES voters!

Coward! You guys turned out to be a bunch of pussies! There's no hiding it now. Just own it!

 

[Flopgut]

That's for you to decide.

Seriously? What do you mean by that? There is literally nothing left after you've gotten thru describing what you think you're owed out of this deal. That's not happening pal.

 

[Jetjockey]

Tough spot you're all in.

If only both pilot groups belonged to the same National union, with the ability to lead and coordinate the fight for a contract. Wouldn't that be something.

Whatever gave you the impression ALPA was a national union? It's an ASSOCIATION.

We let the ship sail in 1976 on becoming a true national union.

 

[chppr5]

Seriously? What do you mean by that? There is literally nothing left after you've gotten thru describing what you think you're owed out of this deal. That's not happening pal.

I didn't say I was owed anything, read my posts. I said I would vote on the merits of the contract. Pull up your big boy pants and make your own decision.

 

[ChrisJT6]

It's difficult for you guys to understand, but this is what it feels like to have to negotiate from equal ground. You don't get to hang CAL off a cliff and then cut the rope like you did Frontier and threatened to do to USAir and America West. Conversely, no one is trying to take you down the Eastern road. You've got replacement airplanes on order and a T&PA agreement that will NOT get pulled out from underneath you.

What do you expect out of the sCAL Master Chair? Just hand you everything? Advocate you guys as a first choice to the detriment of CAL pilots? Come on, he's doing exactly what he should with regard to the pilots he works for. Case in point: The 450 million. JH says: I want 70% of it for sUAL pilots. JP: How about 60%? JH: F-you greedy SOBs, I demand 70%! So we go to arbitration, and you get 55%, even less than JP was going to settle for. Peirce was being fair, Heppner was over-reaching... This sort of thing ought to change your opinion about your own MC...

Not aware of any pilot group UAL pilots attempted to screw but am aware of the huge staple of People's Express. You think Fred has your best interest in mind when he eggs on his boys to vote this down so he can rid the company of sUAL crews. I'd rather change careers that get ahead being controlled by the Harvester, Farmer "The Harvester" Fred.

 

[Flopgut]

Well, Idk bud. Appears pretty clear right here in this thread that you think LUAL pilots deserved the whole merger on a silver platter. (we need to end pay banding to help you, need to arrange "retro" so you get most of it, need to look the other way on the extremely low pay your widebodies garner, need to offer some extra money for you because we didn't give up our whole A fund, skip getting any mileage out of OUR 762 greivance so You can get something, and the list goes on...) That attitude is the the reason what has happened, has happened. Not JP.

 

[ChrisJT6]

Coward! You guys turned out to be a bunch of pussies! There's no hiding it now. Just own it!

You're right tough guy...I am sure we all wish we had the courage to drive a French Prop job. Get a life!
Might have had a shot at striking for a good contract if half the team's fearless leader didn't have his head buried in Fred's bum.

 

[Flopgut]

Not aware of any pilot group UAL pilots attempted to screw.

Then you need to read up on what you guys did to the old Frontier Airlines pilots! F-ing ASAP! Because what's left of that airline is here working at CAL.

So many of you guys do NOT know the history. It is a huge problem. Or perhaps it's because you're so arrogant you don't care? I can't figure out which one it is, stupid or arrogant?

 

[ChrisJT6]

Then you need to read up on what you guys did to the old Frontier Airlines pilots! F-ing ASAP! Because what's left of that airline is here working at CAL.

So many of you guys do NOT know the history. It is a huge problem. Or perhaps it's because you're so arrogant you don't care? I can't figure out which one it is, stupid or arrogant?

FLOPGUNT!
No, I just haven't flown w any old Frontier CAL pilots yet but have multiple People's Express pilots...just pointing out the 1000 pilots CAL bones hard that you left out of YOUR jab. And you call me stupid and arrogant...genius! You brought it up half cocked and I called you on it f-face. Flew w plenty of old Frontier pilots at United, the difference is we didn't promise them arbitration then bone them and loose a lawsuit...your rose shades must be sweet.

 

[eaglesview]

FLOPGUNT!
No, I just haven't flown w any old Frontier CAL pilots yet but have multiple People's Express pilots...just pointing out the 1000 pilots CAL bones hard that you left out of YOUR jab. And you call me stupid and arrogant...genius! You brought it up half cocked and I called you on it f-face. Flew w plenty of old Frontier pilots at United, the difference is we didn't promise them arbitration then bone them and loose a lawsuit...your rose shades must be sweet.

Wasting your time with that guy. He's been bought and sold buy JP and Abbott.