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Dash Power said:
Ty,


Whats the worst that can happen to me? Relative seniority.(won't happen) What am I losing?

What is the worst that can happen to you? Staple. (won't happen) What are you likely to lose? Somewhere in the middle.

The middle is where I gain and you lose SENIORITY.

Your welcome for the huge quality of life increase I have spent a good amount of time earning for you. And I thank you for the increase seniority you will be giving to all my SWA brothers and sisters. That is what a win/win situation is all about.

Together we are going to kick some serious booty in this crappy airline business. And we both gain because of our efforts.

So why am I worried......?
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Looks like Dash had it right all along..... who would have thunk?
 
Looks like Dash had it right all along..... who would have thunk?
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And as usual the Delto Dork had it wrong. :puke:


General Lee said:
As far as the SLI goes, SWAPA won't have much to do at all. That will very likely go to arbitration, and then the lawyers will have to fight it out.


Bye Bye--General Lee
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Max Powers said:
Of course it could, because all you care about is yourself.
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Hey!

Shhhhhhhh... Let them think that's not what we want. ;)

Personally, I'd be happy with AirTran being the indefinite International Arm of Southwest Airlines. On 1/1/15 we snap to their CBA in total, including pay rates, duty rigs, the whole shebang.

So sure, leave me #2 in my seat (as of January), pay me SWA pay, and I keep my 2 legs a day to an Int'l station, layover 20-24 hours, fly 2 legs back, go home, 18 days off a month at guarantee with weekends and holidays off.

What was that about extending separate ops indefinitely now? :D

(P.S. The above is tongue-in-cheek; I know it won't happen, but it sure would be nice). :)
 
I think that was the deal you raged against:
-Pay April 1
-Seniority in the ATL base
-Fenced ops for 10 years

Tongue-in-cheek
 
AIP 1 had weak language you could drive a truck through, and AirTran Captains would have been reduced to an itinerant band of roving, migrant street captains. Unable to hold a base, constantly pushed lower by every RSW upgrade, it would have been a new circle of hell in Dante's Inferno.

To keep rehashing AIP1 is pointless (but, apparently, it makes some people feel better).
 
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Max,

Sorry your cheese got moved...

Ty,

Our FOs are now the roving band of pilots constantly being displaced by AAI transition pilots, who BTW are pretty happy!

I know you guys did not want this, but at least in AIP1 your pay would have flexed up to ease the transition pain...
 
madjack said:
Max,

Sorry your cheese got moved...

Ty,

Our FOs are now the roving band of pilots constantly being displaced by AAI transition pilots, who BTW are pretty happy!

I know you guys did not want this, but at least in AIP1 your pay would have flexed up to ease the transition pain...
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Your FO's being displace is a direct result of our captains are being downgraded. SWAPA wanted our captains seats. They got them. Any SWA FO that didn't get one of those coveted seats is getting displaced. Law of unintended consequences.
 
Lear70 said:
Hey!

Shhhhhhhh... Let them think that's not what we want. ;)

Personally, I'd be happy with AirTran being the indefinite International Arm of Southwest Airlines. On 1/1/15 we snap to their CBA in total, including pay rates, duty rigs, the whole shebang.

So sure, leave me #2 in my seat (as of January), pay me SWA pay, and I keep my 2 legs a day to an Int'l station, layover 20-24 hours, fly 2 legs back, go home, 18 days off a month at guarantee with weekends and holidays off.

What was that about extending separate ops indefinitely now? :D

(P.S. The above is tongue-in-cheek; I know it won't happen, but it sure would be nice). :)
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I don't think the SWA pilot group will alow U to be just the international arm, and we be your domestic feed;)
 
texman said:
I don't think the SWA pilot group will alow U to be just the international arm, and we be your domestic feed;)
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I heard there were some issues on the proving runs by SWA out of San Juan...is that true, or just urban legend?
 
freightdogfred said:
I heard there were some issues on the proving runs by SWA out of San Juan...is that true, or just urban legend?
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Are you referring to the SWA crew checking in with San Juan using a full Class 2 position report. Then being shocked that they were still in radar coverage ? Or, the SWA guy at the Flight Ops meeting with AirTran, asking if Customs in San Juan is a hassle ?

I'm sure it's just urban legend, considering the worldliness and sophistication of the operation.
 
Will be alot better when we are all one union and fighting for the same causes! Giving millions to ALPA and for what, when SWAPA could be getting this money for resources !
 
canyonblue said:
And as usual the Delto Dork had it wrong. :puke:
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Thanks Corndork! You will have strife for years, and that I was correct about. Your group and boss treated the AT pilots poorly, and that won't be forgotten. Nope! Bye now! Enjoy MAF, DAL, LIT, TUL, and STL later today....



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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The General says it in the most unkind manner because he has some issues with SWA, but he is somewhat correct. You have created a group who you know you can not trust, because they know they can not trust you.
 
doh said:
The General says it in the most unkind manner because he has some issues with SWA, but he is somewhat correct. You have created a group who you know you can not trust, because they know they can not trust you.
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I hear that the AT guys are pissed off too......
 
General Lee said:
Thanks Corndork!


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Great post #16,435.:puke:

You are living proof that the Delto interview never considers personality in their selection process. With your prodigious amount of posts on this forum, I'm glad you were able to get away from your Dungeons and Dragons match. :rolleyes:
 
canyonblue said:
Great post #16,435.:puke:

You are living proof that the Delto interview never considers personality in their selection process. With your prodigious amount of posts on this forum, I'm glad you were able to get away from your Dungeons and Dragons match. :rolleyes:
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Funny stuff. Very few, if any of your posts have any substance, a lot like JonJuan. Instead of accepting the fact that you and your daddy screwed the AT guys and continue to do so by paying them less for flying the same type planes, along with reaping the profits of their bag fees, you attack the number of posts I have, which started well over a decade ago. The main reason I have so many is because of the shear number of corrections I have to make to your group's outlandish and bloviated remarks on how cool you supposedly are. Guess what? Along with Domestic only cities, you Corndogs get to fly 737s all over Texas. Whoopie! Before you had a pay increase, many of your Captains left for United and other majors. That will happen again with your FOs as they start to understand just how much stagnation is ahead of them. Goodnight Corndork!



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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General Lee said:
Funny stuff. Very few, if any of your posts have any substance, a lot like JonJuan. Instead of accepting the fact that you and your daddy screwed the AT guys and continue to do so by paying them less for flying the same type planes, along with reaping the profits of their bag fees, you attack the number of posts I have, which started well over a decade ago. The main reason I have so many is because of the shear number of corrections I have to make to your group's outlandish and bloviated remarks on how cool you supposedly are. Guess what? Along with Domestic only cities, you Corndogs get to fly 737s all over Texas. Whoopie! Before you had a pay increase, many of your Captains left for United and other majors. That will happen again with your FOs as they start to understand just how much stagnation is ahead of them. Goodnight Corndork!



Bye Bye---General Lee
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Talking outlandish and bloviated, I think you forgot the part that AT pilots voted by an over 80 plus percent margin to accept that pay.
 
General Lee said:
Before you had a pay increase, many of your Captains left for United and other majors.

Bye Bye---General Lee
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It is downright lies like this that make you king of the bloviating blowhards on this and any other aviation related forum.

In my 18 years not ONE Southwest Captain has ever left for another airline. Not one. And very few new First Officers have left. Interestingly enough though, I have flown with THREE former Delta Captains. And many former American, United, America West, USair and Delta First Officers.

So General Cheese, whats your point? Please don't bother explaining. It would be just a line of crap anyways.
 
Dash Power said:
In my 18 years not ONE Southwest Captain has ever left for another airline. Not one. And very few new First Officers have left. Interestingly enough though, I have flown with THREE former Delta Captains. And many former American, United, America West, USair and Delta First Officers.
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Most SWA captains probably aren't qualified to fly Delta planes and thus, cannot leave. A former DELTA pilot though, IS well-qualified to fly an SWA plane. This is what you are seeing.

IOWs:

SWA-qualified does NOT equal DELTA-qualified

DELTA-qualified DOES equal SWA qualified.

SWA management welcomes pilots who qualify for major jobs but the inverse is simply not true.
 

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