American pilots weren’t allowed to strike, so instead they did something clever

[jonjuan]

Maybe not as labor friendly as we'd like it to be, but 100% more labor friendly than what would be in place under anti-union Mitt Romney.

And yet under a mitt Romney administration, the economy does better, more people are able to fly to Disneyland, your company does better, you upgrade quicker, you get a better contract, you make more $$$, you are able to buy Melvin the GI Joe with the kungfu grip, Momma is happy, she eats more, gets fat, you lose interest, knock up the babysitter, marry her, dump Momma and live happily ever after.
Ironic, eh?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I'm Jewish. What's Christmas?

I'm atheist. Christmas in the United States is that secular holiday where loved ones share presents, have family parties, and celebrate together.

It was once a Christian holiday, but it has now been secularized, and is celebrated by many who are not Christians, myself included.

Welcome to the USA!

 

[Visceral]

Christmas is Santa's birthday. End of Rant

 

[laker4284]

I spent three years at a major airline.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION;... With all respect, I believe that every pilot should follow the rules...

Part of the deal in being a successful Captain is knowing which rule to bend and/or how far to bend it. We'd finish few flights if we played the "perfect every day" game.

I'm not surprised your major airline career was three years! ;-)

 

[Linedriver]

Q: What do you do future captain?

A: I write up the discrepancy, call the company, and tell them to find contract maintenance to fix the nav. light....Then I relax and lean back and read my book until it get's fixed or we time out and need to go to the hotel.

And, my answer would be the same if I was making $400,000/yr or was in the middle of a nasty situation like AMR is now.

Simple.

It's called being a professional. I do my job, you do yours.


Any company that doesn't want to hire me with that answer....is a company I don't want to work for.

It's the idiots that risk their tickets ( " departing with a known deficiency " in this case ) who think they are saving the day and being Hero's to the Company and their passengers....That allow company's to become totally mismanaged and unworkable.

WHY is there no maintenance at the station ( in this example) with a known departure not having been accomplished ?

That is just p-poor planning and a total lack of management....and management is NOT my job. Why do so many fools try to make it theirs?

MY license say's "Airline Transport Pilot" not..." Maintenance Scheduler / Overseer of Inept Planning / Janitor Who Cleans Up Other People Inexcusable Messes."


Rant OVER.



YKW

What would your answer be if it was YOUR last leg home on Christmas Eve and your family was waiting on you for dinner?

 

[se1776]

Part of the deal in being a successful Captain is knowing which rule to bend and/or how far to bend it. We'd finish few flights if we played the "perfect every day" game.

I'm not surprised your major airline career was three years! ;-)

Unfortunately, my number came up and I got laid off.
But, I am amazed that in your world, a successful captain, is that individual that knows which rule to bend??

I hope that you never get caught, and if that happened, I hope your company backs you up.
Good luck man.

 

[Quimby]

Whine Lover gets it.

 

[XJAVRO]

And yet under a mitt Romney administration, the economy does better, more people are able to fly to Disneyland, your company does better, you upgrade quicker, you get a better contract, you make more $$$, you are able to buy Melvin the GI Joe with the kungfu grip, Momma is happy, she eats more, gets fat, you lose interest, knock up the babysitter, marry her, dump Momma and live happily ever after.
Ironic, eh?

Whatever you are smoking please share. Remember it's puff, puff, pass!

 

[Ops check good]

Q: What do you do future captain?

A: I write up the discrepancy, call the company, and tell them to find contract maintenance to fix the nav. light....Then I relax and lean back and read my book until it get's fixed or we time out and need to go to the hotel.

Why would you not just defer it? Then you would still depart on time and all is well.

 

[scoreboardII]

What would your answer be if it was YOUR last leg home on Christmas Eve and your family was waiting on you for dinner?

Oh then yes, lets violate rules and regs so we get home, thats OK on Christmae eve, but not Oct 10th.

 

[airgator]

IT'S A NAV LIGHT! You're the captain, and you're gonna time out and go to the hotel and strand 100+ pax, YGTBSM.

 

[scoreboardII]

Yes.

The pilots are not running the airline anymore, good for them, or are you on managements side?

 

[UnstableAviator]

Trying to have a reasonable discussion about the schizophrenic world in which we operate is pretty much impossible. EVERY airplane for EVERY departure has something that can be written up. Just like the FAA likes to do a C-check at the gate and begin discovering items most pilots rarely even notice.

If I "just happen" to discover the NAV light is out 1 minute prior to departure then the call goes in, the flight goes late. Or if a yoke boot snap is broken, start/stop selector knob slightly loose, etc etc. There will always be discretion on the part of the PIC.

 

[Quimby]

IT'S A NAV LIGHT! You're the captain, and you're gonna time out and go to the hotel and strand 100+ pax, YGTBSM.

Are you yelling?

 

[PSL]

Airgator:

You have perfectly described the issue we run into on a daily basis. We (Pilots/FEs) are not allowed to use our discretion when there is a procedure in place to deal with the exact issue you mentioned. The first casualty of specificity in aviation is reasonableness. When you fly under any part of the 14 CFR (91,121, 135, etc) there are approved procedures in place that hold the DOM (Director of Maintenance), PIC and Dispatcher (if applicable) accountable. The FAA usually shows no mercy for willfully operating in contravention to an approved maintenance / flight ops procedure. And can you blame the FAA ? They are held accountable to the DOT, Congress and the POTUS.

Now back to you example, the burned out NAV light. Will it bring down the airplane or contribute to a collision ? I doubt it but unless the MEL gives relief for it being out, the airplane is not moving with my signature on the Release without me being able to look the FAA and my boss in the eye and state that I believe the aircraft is airworthy.

What we do in the civilian world is not combat flying. It is elective air transportation. When weapons are pointed at the aircraft, then the priorities change. Until then, I will follow the rules/regs to the best of my ability while I am entrusted with the safety of the PAX, fellow crew and people on the ground.

 

[GogglesPisano]

IT'S A NAV LIGHT! You're the captain, and you're gonna time out and go to the hotel and strand 100+ pax, YGTBSM.

I'm sure the Feds, and your DO when he is caught in the middle, will be completely understanding.

 

[AA717driver]

IT'S A NAV LIGHT! You're the captain, and you're gonna time out and go to the hotel and strand 100+ pax, YGTBSM.

Ignore it, get caught and the Feds (with the help and full cooperation of the company) prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law.

Why? Because you demonsrtated a disregard for the FAR's and the safety of your passengers. The Fed needs a promotion and the company needs a hostage. They both tacitly thank you for delivering your a$$ on a silver platter.

This is a no brainer in today's litigious world. In 1985, I wouldn't have thought twice about calling it "extremely dim" and carrying on. Now, NFW.

TC

 

[Busdriver320]

And yet under a mitt Romney administration, the economy does better, more people are able to fly to Disneyland, your company does better, you upgrade quicker, you get a better contract, you make more $$$, you are able to buy Melvin the GI Joe with the kungfu grip, Momma is happy, she eats more, gets fat, you lose interest, knock up the babysitter, marry her, dump Momma and live happily ever after.
Ironic, eh?

This is the thinking in middle class America that will ultimately doom middle class Americans. Look at Romney's (and his ilk) history. They hate unions, they outsource jobs, they lower wages. Get a clue, you won't HAVE a union to "get a better contract" if Romney wins this election. Their ultimate goal is to make unionism illegal, they may say otherwise because they still need some of what little union vote is left, but why do they keep proposing legislation that makes it harder to organize and harder to remain organized?
People making just enough money to put a roof over their heads and feed their kids don't buy airline tickets, and Romney and his kind are flying their own jets or being flown around by Netjets, Options, Flexjet, etc. Trickle down is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on society, yet people still believe it when there's 30 years of proof showing its only trickled UP.

 

[The Drizzle]

Trickle down is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on society, yet people still believe it when there's 30 years of proof showing its only trickled UP.

Just because it hasn't worked yet, doesn't mean we shouldn't keep giving it a try. U S A U S A U S A

 

[se1776]

I use to fly the Dehavilland Dash8. On the windshield there are two spot lights that are use to inspect the windshield wipers for ice accumulation at night time. The MEL will not allow us to dispatch at night into icing condition without that light.
I remember that it was our last leg home at night, out of PHL to SYR in the winter.
There was a report of icing conditions along the route. If we cancel that flight, 37 angry passengers were going to be stranded in PHL.
Just remember, no one will notice that the light is burned out, but according to the MEL it was a grounding item.
Now as a successful captain, what would you do?? Ground the airplane, or fly with a grounding item??