American pilots weren’t allowed to strike, so instead they did something clever

[laker4284]

There is a difference between simple truth and going outside of the box a little bit. Big picture & common sense stuff, try it sometime. As stated earlier, if everyone operated under a 100% inability to be flexible when it comes to non safety related rules the airlines would come to a crippling hault.

Bingo!

The pedantic by-the-book types or militant unionistas were and are the worst guys to fly with. If I learned nothing else in my 35 year airline career it was the idea that sometimes thinking and acting outside the box a litte (not a lot) while using some discretion showed wisdom, not folly. Without some independent thinking and a little can do attitude, you're little more than a robot, and a not very productive one at that.

 

[Whine Lover]

And now for the Devil's Advocate..

Are there times when a fella' MIGHT just say "to Heck with it ....I'll take the risk and worry about it later" and leave with a non-deferable, un-corrected, MX issue ?

Absolutely.

Maybe you find yourself in a Desert where a lot of angry people like to wear "hats" made out of towels and colorful pieces of cloth, and they like to shoot rockets and stuff on days that aren't even the 4th of July.

And maybe, this MX item is going to cause you to ground the aircraft and stay in a hostile environment, subject to rocket attacks, or you'll wind up in a local hotel in a country that apparently was founded by some guy named "Stan". A place where your lily white Arse is a shining beacon ( aka: "Target ) for all to see.

Well yeah, maybe, just maybe....a guy might weigh his options in a different manner.




Having to spend a night in a Ramada in PHL on X-Mas eve really isn't worth the possible repercussions.

However, the prospect of having to spend a lifetime ( which may be very short at that point ) in a cave/cell with a bunch of heavily bearded fellows asking you questions all day and night might weigh in differently in the decision making process.

Yes...That could be an " EFF' the nav. light, and the bent antenna, and the (whatever the hell else is wrong ) let's get OUT of here and figure that out later !! " scenario.

Besides, there aren't a lot of FAA folks in most of the "Stans" anyway.




WL

 

[SplitBar]

And now for the Devil's Advocate..

Are there times when a fella' MIGHT just say "to Heck with it ....I'll take the risk and worry about it later and leave with a non-deferable, un-corrected, MX issue ?

Absolutely.

Maybe you find yourself in a War Zone... you know, like a Desert where a lot of angry people like to wear "hats" made out of towels and colorful pieces of cloth .. and they like to shoot rockets and stuff on days that aren't even the 4th of July.

And, this MX item is going to cause you to ground the aircraft and stay in a hostile environment, subject to rocket attacks, or wind up in a local hotel in a place that ends in "stan" ... where your lily white arse is a shining beacon ( aka: "Target ) just begging to be taken out...

Well yeah, maybe, just maybe....a guy might weigh his options in a different manner.




But, having to spend a night in a hotel in PHL on X-mas eve really isn't worth the possible repercussions.

The prospect of having to spend a lifetime ( which may be very short at that point ) in a cave /cell with a bunch of heavily bearded fellows asking you questions all day and night might weigh in differently in the decision making process...

Yeah...That could be a " EFF' the nav. light, and the bent antenna, and the (whatever the hell else is wrong ) let's get OUT of here and figure that out later !! " scenario.

Besides, there aren't a lot of FAA folks in most of the "Stans" anyway....




WL

It's a Nav light in BFE. Lighten up Francis. Have fun in the hotel knowing you just ruined 150 peoples Xmas. I'll be pressing on.

 

[Whine Lover]

" It's a Nav light in BFE. Lighten up Francis. Have fun in the hotel knowing you just ruined 150 peoples Xmas. I'll be pressing on."


- " Good Luck Captain ! We're all counting on you! "

( Cue National Anthem / Waving Flags / Hero's Salute )



Signed,

The Grinch

 

[airgator]

This thread just shows how spot on the "Last of the dinosaurs" thread is. Two different mentalities. People who are captains and think and act like a captain, or people who are robots and think and act like the feds and their DO are across the fence with binoculars watching them on Christmas eve at an outstation.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Christmas is Santa's birthday. End of Rant

No, its a guaranteed day at work while mgmt sits on the houseboats drinking hot toddys thanking their lucky stars that they were smart enough to be managers instead of the "help".

 

[SplitBar]

This thread just shows how spot on the "Last of the dinosaurs" thread is. Two different mentalities. People who are captains and think and act like a captain, or people who are robots and think and act like the feds and their DO are across the fence with binoculars watching them on Christmas eve at an outstation.

+1 Couldn't have summed it up better.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Why would you not just defer it?

Because under chimps new austerity program the other one was already deferred, along with the APU, Duct Mon, and entire right wing.....

 

[Ops check good]

Because under chimps new austerity program the other one was already deferred, along with the APU, Duct Mon, and entire right wing.....

Well... darn I guess x-mas is F-ed.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

This thread just shows how spot on the "Last of the dinosaurs" thread is. Two different mentalities. People who are captains and think and act like a captain, or people who are robots and think and act like the feds and their DO are across the fence with binoculars watching them on Christmas eve at an outstation.

c : the complex of mental and ethical traits marking and often individualizing a person, group, or nation

WASHINGTON—There are signs that future airline pilots will be less experienced, less ethical and in short supply, a panel of experts told an aviation safety forum on Tuesday.



While there are more pilots than there are airline jobs today, the reverse is likely to be true as airlines recover from the economic recession and begin hiring again, experts on pilot hiring and screening told the National Transportation Safety Board. The coming shortage may likely fall heaviest on regional airlines, who generally employ less-experienced pilots at lower salaries, they said.

There are about 54,000 pilots working for major airlines, nearly 19,000 regional airline pilots and about 2,500 qualified pilots available for hire in the U.S. today, said aviation consultant Judy Tarver, a former pilot recruiter for American Airlines. She estimated that airlines will need to hire about 42,090 pilots over the next decade, due to retirements and anticipated industry growth.

Panel members said there are far fewer military pilots leaving for jobs with airlines. Fewer college students say they want careers in aviation because they see it as an economic dead end, and airlines are increasingly having to compete with corporations for pilots.

The comments came as the safety board began a three-day forum on how to get more pilots and air traffic controllers to consistently strive for a high-level of professionalism. The impetus for the forum is a series of high-profile incidents over the past year in which the conduct and judgment of pilots and controllers have been called into question, including the crash of a regional airliner near Buffalo, N.Y., that killed 50 people.

The safety board said the crash occurred after the plane stalled because the pilot pulled back, instead of pushing forward, on a key piece of safety equipment. But they also cited a series of errors and unprofessional conduct by the pilot and first officer leading up to the accident.

Paul Rice, a pilot and spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association, said he was skeptical that a willingness to break rules and flout authority among younger pilots is any different than past generations of young pilots.

However, he said he shared the panel's concern that there will be a shortage of experienced pilots at regional airlines, which account for half of all domestic flights and are the only scheduled air service to about 400 communities.

Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airline Association, said any pilot shortage won't affect safety because pilots are trained, certified and tested.

Airline travel today is safer than ever before, but the Buffalo crash and other incidents are warning signs that safety may be eroding because of an attitude of "casual compliance" by a minority of pilots, said Tony Kern, a former Air Force lieutenant colonel and author of five books on pilot performance.

The Nav light wont hurt anything, can't say the same for the pilots.



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