For the CRJ pilots at XJET

[crazy8]

Could someone from the ERJ side explain in simple terms, why...

1. You seem to have been against PBS from the start.
2. You cannot come to terms with the fact that the overwhelming majority CRJ pilots are very happy with our PBS system.
3. You are not willing to help build on that with improved work rules in a new JCBA.

And finally....the real kicker.....

4. You now tout a PBS system that has globalization, a really dumb idea!

It is simply baffling to the CRJ pilots why you cannot figure this out. Perhaps a better idea would be for SKYW just to keep you guys separated from the ASA side. It seems likely we will never agree.

We are against PBS from the start because any form of it is a major concession from what we currently have. You guys like it over your old line bidding because you didn't have the work rules we have.

Our current work rules are not compatible with PrefBid. There are no improvements that could be made to PrefBid that we would find acceptable. As a result, our MEC has found a system that is somewhat compatible, as long as the proper work rules were implemented.

 

[wms]

The same rules can be applied to prefbid.

 

[wms]

So if we were happier with smartpref, you would rather go to our currently line biding system? I don't honestly think the XJT MEC is trying to make sure PBS goes away. You give them too much credit. If they didn't want PBS, they don't other than the line bidding system we have now, they don't have to do ANYTHING!

With prefbid I get three four day trips a month with 18 days off and a block of 7-10 days off each month. On vacation months I do 2 4-day trips and get 20 days in a row. And you don't have to be real senior to do it if pairings are credited high enough and the company is fair with the credit window.

No, I don't want globalization. It's an inferior system.

 

[wms]

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[wms]

So if we were happier with smartpref, you would rather go to our currently line biding system? I don't honestly think the XJT MEC is trying to make sure PBS goes away. You give them too much credit. If they didn't want PBS, they don't other than the line bidding system we have now, they don't have to do ANYTHING!

Id want to run them side by side. Why don't you guys?

 

[PapaSiera]

Id want to run them side by side. Why don't you guys?

They have, several times. The ASA MEC has not.

 

[Clutch]

Maybe they want you to eff off.. Like the rest of us.

 

[dojetdriver]

There is something to be said that one side refuses to admit to researching, then waiting even longer to publish its findings to the constituents, while the other has published its findings almost a year ago? If you don't stop to ask that then you should ask what is each side's motivation.

They have, several times. The ASA MEC has not.

The ONLY 2 posts that really matter here.

And if I'm not mistaken, the L-ASA side tested the system without ANY workrules to control the parameters, is that correct?

 

[ASApuppy]

A couple of points.

First and most important, there will be no practice runs with different bidding systems before a TA vote. You will only get to practice the system voted in. Then, it will not be very good represention if people choose not to play.

Second, xjt mec wants to embrace a globalization system is to protect there "relative junior" pilots. I know full well we have not negotiated anything with seniority lists. But, it is in managements and the more junior group's interest to marginalize seniority benefits. If you create a system that does that, then you don't need to fight as hard in list integration.

 

[wms]

They have, several times. The ASA MEC has not.

I havent, and don't want to take anyone else's word. It's too important.

 

[Nevets]

With prefbid I get three four day trips a month with 18 days off and a block of 7-10 days off each month. On vacation months I do 2 4-day trips and get 20 days in a row. And you don't have to be real senior to do it if pairings are credited high enough and the company is fair with the credit window.

No, I don't want globalization. It's an inferior system.

Same with our line bidding system but that's not cost competitive so get on board.

 

[Nevets]

A couple of points.

First and most important, there will be no practice runs with different bidding systems before a TA vote. You will only get to practice the system voted in. Then, it will not be very good represention if people choose not to play.

Second, xjt mec wants to embrace a globalization system is to protect there "relative junior" pilots. I know full well we have not negotiated anything with seniority lists. But, it is in managements and the more junior group's interest to marginalize seniority benefits. If you create a system that does that, then you don't need to fight as hard in list integration.

There will be real live runs on smartpref. And the fact that it uses globalization has nothing to do with protecting anyone. Anyway, I thought you guys didnt like that your MEC only protects the senior guys?

 

[www.]

They have, several times. The ASA MEC has not.

Let's tell the truth now. If your going to tell a story make sure it's the whole story not just McKnights.

 

[ASApuppy]

There will be real live runs on smartpref. And the fact that it uses globalization has nothing to do with protecting anyone. Anyway, I thought you guys didnt like that your MEC only protects the senior guys?

Wanna bet? The first time you will see smartpref live is if its voted in. We never saw flightline live until after it got voted in. We only played with Virgin Americas prior to voting. Flightline refused to commit programming cost until they had the contract and then it took months to do. Globalization marginalizes seniority. I have endured my time to achieve what little I have and have no intention of giving it up a schedule I could have had for what be fit better with someone Jr. You might want to rethink your position.

We have to go forward with contract rules that work for us when we are perpetually short staffed. Globalization would be great for the company and the Jr peps. I do not want a schedule where every month your doing what fits best for the company. Sorry.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Once again from my 15 years with SKYW, if you vote in PBS you will be hosed beyond your wildest nightmares. The reason they haven't exercised the cornhole feature yet, is they need everybody onboard and playing before the engage the cornholing feature. If you don't have vacation and sick time accrual increases you will find that your vacations will be drastically shorter, with trips touching both sides of your vacation. Since PBS came onboard my vacations all have had this wonderful feature. Without transparency the company can adjust the flying without telling anyone, your schedule just increases to FAR limits with no recourse, except sick calling. You guys haven't enjoyed the full wrath of Brad yet, once he gets everything hammered down and in place he will get the game plan from the F&H head office and you will feel exactly what is possible. If you read your 10Q carefully you will find Ford & Harrison ( http://www.fordharrison.com/ ). SKYW Airlines pilots has had the dubious pleasure during multiple union drives. Watch this series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM the not so funny thig is you will see everything in the playbook almost exactly too a tee as described.
You junior guys who think PBS is the shiznit wait until those senior to you figger out how to bid effectively, I experience this every month and I am fairly senior in my base. I figgered out that bidding for a high paying local on either end of a decent paying 2 or 3 day yielded a 28+ hour work week, or adding one of those high paying local to an OK 4 day meant 3 5 day work blocks a month. Problem is the guys senior to me saw what some of us were doing and jumped on the band wagon, I am now back doing 22 hr 4 day trips with the occasional 18 beauty thrown in. Message is PBS in any form is a concession, otherwise why would management want it so bad? If they want it, ask yourself whats their angle. In SKYW's case it means they want ultimate control of your schedule, do you want to give it to them blindly?