SWAPA Comments about 717

[-9Capt]

Stall,

SWAPA/ALPA were never going to agree on a fair and equitable list. That's why we had a process agreement.

I expected SW to follow the process agreement, act honorably and see this to a logical conclusion. I guess that was expecting too much from a company that likes to talk about its culture and quote the golden rule.

 

[PCL_128]

Stall,

Seriously, what did you expect? Pure realitive with immediate SW pay? Was that realistic?

Again, pay parity should have been a given. As far as seniority, I think everyone here could have lived with DOH, even though it would have been a significant hit to relative seniority. I do agree that a straight relative seniority list would not have been equitable.

 

[Crash Pad]

35 pages of rinse and repeat. You guys must be a hoot to drink with.

 

[redflyer65]

Again, pay parity should have been a given. As far as seniority, I think everyone here could have lived with DOH, even though it would have been a significant hit to relative seniority. I do agree that a straight relative seniority list would not have been equitable.

Of course everyone over there could have lived with DOH. So in that scenerio, your saying that getting hired at Airtran was exactly equal to getting hired at SW. That's not meant as a slam on AAI, just framing your point of view.

Neither SWAPA or ALPA could have mandated pay parity. Only Gary could agree to that. He did the first time, then pulled his money off the table the second go around. That was his decision alone. He didn't come to SWAPA and ask us what we thought he should do, he decided himself.

 

[vixin]

-9 big boy Capt.,

Nice tag line. You may want to do a little research about what your ex CEO was saying about AAI. I am not going to re post all that yet again, but its obvious you are a 5% er at AAI.

You guys should have voted no and take your chances then. I like how its only OK for an AAI guy to be pissed about the deal but all SWA guys should be tickled pink about it. Grow up! Its done, move on. If you cant get the hell out and make your life better. Look at all you did get. Make the best of it. Bitching here isnt going to anything but send you to the grave sooner.

 

[Citrusflyer]

Wow, 18 pages of ... what exactly? This thread has been beaten into glue.

Three things are pretty clear. (1) SWA guys don't see the AT side. (2) AT guys don't see the SWA side. (3) It's fairly easy to be a hater from afar ... not so much up close, or in the same cockpit (unless you’re a member of the 10% club - or a troll).

The SLI sucks, but it’s done. Neither side has any ability to change that. Neither side had much ability to influence it from the get-go. If we did, the Mech’s, FA’s, etc. would want a bite of the apple as well. So we all know Gary will NEVER let that happen. Nothing will change, including pay-parity, until either 2015 or until one crosses the partition.

This massive ‘seat-grab’ is also an albatross. SC’s victory lap will come back to bite him - and soon. By SWA’s own e-mails there is a great possibility that about a third of the 717 fleet will be on the AT side after the 2015 date. Additionally, there’s a good chance a sizable number of 737’s will be on the AT side as well. There’s only 3 more transition classes left for the year (24 each class). Movement over to SWA is slowing to a glacial pace. You want to be a Cap’t at SWA after the fence drops - stay on the AT side. The ‘senior’ guys will be able to bid right over to a left seat after that. Plus, SC's caustic, childish, and poorly worded (or not) e-mail have earned him over 1,500 non-supporters at some critical time down the road.

As for flying the right seat, after being in the left so long. I’ve had the opportunity to fly with several ex-Delta guys. Guys who were check-airmen and captains on the Int’l fleet. Without a doubt among the best, most professional pilots I’ve ever flown with. Never a gripe, whine, or a woe-is-me moment for their position in life. I’m not thrilled over the prospect of moving over, but I plan on making those guys proud by doing my job the way they would. In short, being professional, and enjoying my time and new relative seniority. Seriously, we have to make the best of it - as there is no other choice.

Don’t y’all think it’s time to stop the cliquish-high-school-nods in the concourses and realize none of us have any more choice, nor influence, on this than the other guy?

 

[ASADFW7]

So you sum up 18 pages, and shove that post in everyone's face to what make you feel better?

 

[-9Capt]

Vixin,

Our management has been telling us we're going out of business since I was hired in '97. It's called managing employee expectations. They lie to employees because they can. If they told the same lies in public the BOD would have them removed.

Also, DOH would have resulted in a gain in relitive for SW and a loss for AT. That was not good enough for SWAPA, they needed more. Maybe myself and many others would have applied at SW back when i was hired here if they werent a PFT outfit. I don't do that.

-9 "big boy" Capt, I like that. You can just call me "big boy", a lot of your flight attendants already do.

 

[scoreboardII]

You really don't think Steve "I've got a secret" Chase will be re-elected do you?

 

[Cometman]

Vixin,

Our management has been telling us we're going out of business since I was hired in '97. It's called managing employee expectations. They lie to employees because they can. If they told the same lies in public the BOD would have them removed.

Also, DOH would have resulted in a gain in relitive for SW and a loss for AT. That was not good enough for SWAPA, they needed more. Maybe myself and many others would have applied at SW back when i was hired here if they werent a PFT outfit. I don't do that.

Why would you not expect SWAPA to try and get the best deal for their pilots. Why didn't ALPA try and get you the best deal? Both unions went into this to try and get the best deal. Apparently ALPA gave up and sold you out. Now move on with your life.