ASA guys, find out the real story

[OCP]

So was this on the 2nd or 3rd? Anyone care to sum it up?

 

[bigshooter107]

Thanks nevets, not being a smart ass at all. It seems the xjet MEC decided to educate their pilot group on the PBS system they think is coming. Problem being is that system is globalized, and the legacy asa MEC voted 9 to 0 against this..Again the legacy asa guys were told the xjet MEC wanted a agreement to keep the contract negotiations on the down low. But for anyone that listened here I think the folks in Houston stepped outside of this.

 

[BigKahuna]

and the legacy asa MEC voted 9 to 0 against this..Again the legacy asa guys were told the xjet MEC wanted a agreement to keep the contract negotiations on the down low.

How does the ASA MEC have a vote in open session about negotiating related topics and keep it on the down low? I'm confused.

 

[Nevets]

Thanks nevets, not being a smart ass at all. It seems the xjet MEC decided to educate their pilot group on the PBS system they think is coming. Problem being is that system is globalized, and the legacy asa MEC voted 9 to 0 against this..Again the legacy asa guys were told the xjet MEC wanted a agreement to keep the contract negotiations on the down low. But for anyone that listened here I think the folks in Houston stepped outside of this.

Ok, maybe I just misinterpreted what was said. If that is the case, then we will just stay separate. Which is probably what the anti-pbs people want anyway. Did you listen in on the call?

 

[Pilot Hopeful]

Problem being is that system is globalized, and the legacy asa MEC voted 9 to 0 against this.

Globalization can be a good thing, as long as it honors seniority. To date, it sounds like most PBS systems with globalization have NOT honored seniority but rather conformed to the needs of the company. I have a hard time thinking that the MEC would propose SmartPref unless the globalization feature honors seniority. The real-time bidding feature sounds like an industry-leading concept.

 

[777forever]

Globalization can be a good thing, as long as it honors seniority. To date, it sounds like most PBS systems with globalization have NOT honored seniority but rather conformed to the needs of the company. I have a hard time thinking that the MEC would propose SmartPref unless the globalization feature honors seniority. The real-time bidding feature sounds like an industry-leading concept.

We just can't say it's globalized with seeing the TA and the work rules that have been implemented. As anti PBS as XJT is I doubt they would go with a poor PBS system. Let's just wait in the TA and the roadshows to see a real comparison to Flica

 

[Pilot Hopeful]

We just can't say it's globalized with seeing the TA and the work rules that have been implemented. As anti PBS as XJT is I doubt they would go with a poor PBS system. Let's just wait in the TA and the roadshows to see a real comparison to Flica

Agree

 

[79%N1]

I'll tell you one thing. Vacation low will be a goner in the new contract. I believe the company will allow it, but if you choose to maximize your days off, you will not get a 75 hr min. Probably something where you get paid what you credit - and no add pay. How does everyone feel about this? From their perspective, you can have the days off, or the pay. Not both.

 

[777forever]

I'll tell you one thing. Vacation low will be a goner in the new contract. I believe the company will allow it, but if you choose to maximize your days off, you will not get a 75 hr min. Probably something where you get paid what you credit - and no add pay. How does everyone feel about this? From their perspective, you can have the days off, or the pay. Not both.

Depends on the overall JCBA package. Has to be some serious improvements elsewhere...

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[Redan]

I'll tell you one thing. Vacation low will be a goner in the new contract. I believe the company will allow it, but if you choose to maximize your days off, you will not get a 75 hr min. Probably something where you get paid what you credit - and no add pay. How does everyone feel about this? From their perspective, you can have the days off, or the pay. Not both.

Well what I think is: Vacation Low was a feature used to address the pilot group's concerns regarding not being able to maximize vacation under a PBS system. Was crucial to gaining support for the PBS system the company was aggressively pushing for. And they had over a year to analyze the feature. Now following implementation they have decided they don't like it and want to modify. And our elected representatives who were solidly against changing it a matter of months ago, are now singing a different song. Additionally, as we experience the constant exploitation of loopholes company discovers in virtually every aspect of the contract, here's about the only instance I can think of where it actually worked in the pilot group's favor. And we're apparently considering conceding. Killer.