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[701EV]

Not disagreeing with you.....but, management seems to be willing to die on that hill, and it looks like they are moving to that pay or days off format in the neg's. Usually, if we do have to give in somewhere, we get better somewhere else.

I do challenge your assertion there are no resumes on file. I see guys interviewing all the time over there. Now, when the reg change takes effect they are going to have trouble finding people then. I believe our regional companies will just be 'right sized' along with the decrease in labor force. Massive 50 seat retirements in the coming years will require far less pilots than there are, even today.

According to Fred and Danny they can't find any 1500hr pilots.

 

[Data]

Why in the world would we opt for some completely new system in a joint contract? That would be idiotic. Either take our existing PBS and tweak it or take the existing line bidding system from Expressjet and tweak. Anything else is asking for trouble. Never switch bidding systems in a contract, you can't fix anything until the next contract. You vote on new bidding systems in a LOA or side deal. We all knew there would be shortcomings in ASA's PBS but at least we had the next contract (this one) to clean it up. If we vote some new POS PBS system in, it will only take the company about 3 weeks to start dicking us over and then it'll be 6 years before we can address it.

 

[79%N1]

And yet that is exactly what is going to happen.

 

[enuffalready]

And yet that is exactly what is going to happen.

Yup...concur

 

[sweptback]

Not if we vote no.

There's going to be a contingent at XJT that will vote no just because the contract has PBS. Add that to the group at ASA that will vote no due to the switch in bidding systems for no valid reasons, and there's a very real possibility it might not pass.

This is all speculation of course, but either way, we get a vote.

 

[Nevets]

Agree with all of you (except for maybe Nevets : ))

Also hear the same is true of the erj line bidding. They would want it more like the old ASA system where you can drop touching trips, but not get paid for the lost block - and no add pay. Just fwiw. Not endorsing any system.

That's ridiculous! Why would the ERJ want your old POS line bidding system. By the way, we don't get paid for trips touched by our vacation anyway. No add pay? GMAB!

Not disagreeing with you.....but, management seems to be willing to die on that hill, and it looks like they are moving to that pay or days off format in the neg's. Usually, if we do have to give in somewhere, we get better somewhere else. .

Again, why would the ERJ side ever agree to anything that is not at least as good as what they currently have? If management doesn't like it, we stay separate. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[sweptback]

Again, why would the ERJ side ever agree to anything that is not at least as good as what they currently have? If management doesn't like it, we stay separate. It's not that big of a deal.

It's not a big deal, but then management will file Ch. 11 for the ExpressJet side (not SkyWest), and you'll end up with a much worse contract in bankruptcy. It wouldn't even be that much of a sham bankruptcy either, since we are losing money for many quarters now.

Staying separate is not a viable plan, no matter how you spin it.

 

[79%N1]

Didn't say you would (or we would) agree to it. Saying thats what they WANT, and they are about to cry poor - and jam Pinnacle, Comair, etc. at us. they don't like our vacation low, and they like your add pay less. Of course we all like it, and I sincerely doubt they would be able to wrestle it away. I have heard the MEC's are going down the 'meet in the middle' route of pick the pay, or the days off. (Or I imagine they will want to drop the concept of virtual credits.)

 

[ASADriver]

I'm fine with choosing either the time off or the pay, but not both. Why should we get full pay for extending one week to 3 or 4 weeks of anyway. Just decide which one you want. Max time off with a pay hit or min time off with full pay. Thats probably the only way we get to keep the vacation low.

 

[Redan]

I'm fine with choosing either the time off or the pay, but not both. Why should we get full pay for extending one week to 3 or 4 weeks of anyway. Just decide which one you want. Max time off with a pay hit or min time off with full pay. Thats probably the only way we get to keep the vacation low.

I can think of one reason why we should be paid:

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU FOLKS HAVE ALREADY FREELY AGREED TO.

I'm quite sure you can't possibly expect us to believe that product of vacation low is a surprise to you?

 

[ASADriver]

I can think of one reason why we should be paid:

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU FOLKS HAVE ALREADY FREELY AGREED TO.

I'm quite sure you can't possibly expect us to believe that product of vacation low is a surprise to you?

They did agree to it and they are paying us for it now. We are now negotiating a new contract and everything is back on the table. That's what happens when you negotiate a new contract. I'm fine with having the option to pick either pay or time off.

 

[Nevets]

It's not a big deal, but then management will file Ch. 11 for the ExpressJet side (not SkyWest), and you'll end up with a much worse contract in bankruptcy. It wouldn't even be that much of a sham bankruptcy either, since we are losing money for many quarters now.

Staying separate is not a viable plan, no matter how you spin it.

I guess you didn't listen to the earnings call. ExpressJet was cash flow positive for the first quarter. In any case, I'm ok of they shut the doors tomorrow. I suggest you get a plan B and C so you are not so beholden to this company and willing to sell us all out.

Didn't say you would (or we would) agree to it. Saying thats what they WANT, and they are about to cry poor - and jam Pinnacle, Comair, etc. at us. they don't like our vacation low, and they like your add pay less. Of course we all like it, and I sincerely doubt they would be able to wrestle it away. I have heard the MEC's are going down the 'meet in the middle' route of pick the pay, or the days off. (Or I imagine they will want to drop the concept of virtual credits.)

Meet in the middle? I'll believe it when I see the CRJ MEC move from their position of flightline or nothing. Meeting in the middle would be settling for smartpref with 5 hours of credit per vacation day. By the way, add pay doesn't really cost the company. I don't know where that misconception comes from. The company is salivating to bid on flying regardless of PNCL, CMR, EGL. In fact, it's some of their flying they want to bid on. We have the leverage there, not them!

I'm fine with choosing either the time off or the pay, but not both. Why should we get full pay for extending one week to 3 or 4 weeks of anyway. Just decide which one you want. Max time off with a pay hit or min time off with full pay. Thats probably the only way we get to keep the vacation low.

That's the status quo on the ERJ side.

 

[ASADriver]

I guess you didn't listen to the earnings call. ExpressJet was cash flow positive for the first quarter. In any case, I'm ok of they shut the doors tomorrow. I suggest you get a plan B and C so you are not so beholden to this company and willing to sell us all out.

Nice attitude. You don't speak for everyone. Nothing prevents you from leaving. I suggest you get a plan B and C. Many don't agree with you.

 

[Nevets]

Nice attitude. You don't speak for everyone. Nothing prevents you from leaving. I suggest you get a plan B and C. Many don't agree with you.

Thanks. The fact is that without you having a plan B and C, you give them leverage and sell everyone one out. I don't give a rats a$$ if you or anyone else don't agree with me. Trust me, I'll leave on my own terms one way or another, because I have a plan B and C.

 

[ASADriver]

That's the status quo on the ERJ side.

That was status quo at ASA at one time. Times change.

 

[ASADriver]

Thanks. The fact is that without you having a plan B and C, you give them leverage and sell everyone one out. I don't give a rats a$$ if you or anyone else don't agree with me. Trust me, I'll leave on my own terms one way or another, because I have a plan B and C.

Don't let the door hit you in the backside.

 

[JettBoii]

Popeyes on C is closed. RIP

 

[goahead]

Okay i wasn't gonna say anything but POPEYES are you kidding me? Sad Sad day my friends.

 

[Redan]

Well dayum. That kinda makes everything else shrink into irrelevancy.

 

[mtsupilot376]

Nooooooooooooooooo!!!


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