NetJets To Picket

[Helmsalee]

G4, read the book. It gives a play by play.

 

[fischman]

But wouldn't making you guys angry make the union stronger and more aggressive? Yes, and yes. Not only does it waken a sleeping giant, it also angers other non-bargaining employees at the company. Then they organize. Look at the dispatchers for example. The more he upsets us, the more he will get what he doesn't want. How would that help get rid of the union? It doesn't make sense to me. I think there is another explanation for what happened at the meeting, but I have no idea what it is.

Comments in red above. JH was going for a divide and conquer tactic. The pre-written blast email that was sent after the meeting is evidence of that. He was hoping that there would be suckers who ACTUALLY blame the union leadership for the failure of the meeting and you be vocal.

He had NO intention of having a productive meeting with the union. If he didn't leave because of the lawyers, it would have been something else (a remark taken out of context, the way someone holds a coffee cup, the color of someone's shirt, etc...). He, and the entire current EMT, hasn't learned what happens to the pilots when they become upset.

If you're curious of my opinion as to "another explanation for what happened at the meeting" it is inexperience and bad leadership from the CEO.

 

[BentOver]

Comments in red above. JH was going for a divide and conquer tactic. The pre-written blast email that was sent after the meeting is evidence of that. He was hoping that there would be suckers who ACTUALLY blame the union leadership for the failure of the meeting and you be vocal.

He had NO intention of having a productive meeting with the union. If he didn't leave because of the lawyers, it would have been something else (a remark taken out of context, the way someone holds a coffee cup, the color of someone's shirt, etc...). He, and the entire current EMT, hasn't learned what happens to the pilots when they become upset.

If you're curious of my opinion as to "another explanation for what happened at the meeting" it is inexperience and bad leadership from the CEO.

and furthermore... from probably '05-late 2009 ( I was there starting in '07) there seemed to be excellent union-management relationship. Outstanding even, especially from '07 on.

Many of the current non-bargaining groups may remember how the relationship was so great and EVERYONE seemed to be so happy. Things were going SO well etc... Now things are not, and what is the one major difference between now and then? A new EMT...Everything else being somewhat equal, the management team appears to be the only component that has destroyed everything. (destroyed meaning the atmosphere, sense of pride and any chance of a on time recovery...Santulli would have had us back by now or atleast on a schedule consistent with what was advertised)

 

[gunfyter]

They just don't get it. They need to watch Santulli's videos. riding out a Recession and Proving to your customers that you care

http://view.fiftylessons.com/viewlesson.asp?l=745

 

[acaTerry]

They just don't get it. They need to watch Santulli's videos. riding out a Recession and Proving to your customers that you care

http://view.fiftylessons.com/viewlesson.asp?l=745

Hmmmm...pretty neat.

 

[BentOver]

I live in Delaware and I was there. I had recurrent the previous week and just stayed a couple of extra days. (I coordinated alternate last day travel) Of course it meant that I’m only home for 2 days before going back on the road but to walk the line with 75-80 of my brothers - priceless.

Having my wife there was just icing on the cake.

Congrats Grizz, ya made the blog!!:beer:

although I think the pet name is kinda dumb.... Then again, the idiots we are dealing with are kinda dumb also.....

 

[BentOver]

If you're curious of my opinion as to "another explanation for what happened at the meeting" it is inexperience and bad leadership from the CEO.

And there it is in a nutshell.... By far the worst management I've ever witnessed. Aviation or otherwise.. Well there was that guy Bernie M.

 

[imacdog]

I can't figure out what advantage the company thinks it gets by antagonizing the union. Why not play nice? I don't get it.

Wow, the first post you've made that isn't 100% retarded. Congratulations, you're finally learning.

 

[G4dude]

Wow, the first post you've made that isn't 100% retarded. Congratulations, you're finally learning.

Thank you!

 

[Lord Wakefield]

They just don't get it. They need to watch Santulli's videos. riding out a Recession and Proving to your customers that you care

http://view.fiftylessons.com/viewlesson.asp?l=745

That's the difference. It was his company and our company. The same can not be said of Sokol and JH.

I was able to understand the Brooklynese even w/o the subtitles.
FWIW, the unclear word at 2:11 is Zeitgeist.

 

[OPECJet]

They just don't get it. They need to watch Santulli's videos. riding out a Recession and Proving to your customers that you care

http://view.fiftylessons.com/viewlesson.asp?l=745

They aren't going to watch Santulli's videos. Doing what Santulli did doesn't maximize profit, it maximizes Netjets.

Anyone have any ideas on what Jordie Buttwhistle's motivations are? I still haven't figured out in which arena he's trying to make a name for himself. Business world, or labor law world. Seems there would be more $$$ in the business world.

 

[G4dude]

Comments in red above. JH was going for a divide and conquer tactic. The pre-written blast email that was sent after the meeting is evidence of that. He was hoping that there would be suckers who ACTUALLY blame the union leadership for the failure of the meeting and you be vocal.

He had NO intention of having a productive meeting with the union. If he didn't leave because of the lawyers, it would have been something else (a remark taken out of context, the way someone holds a coffee cup, the color of someone's shirt, etc...). He, and the entire current EMT, hasn't learned what happens to the pilots when they become upset.

If you're curious of my opinion as to "another explanation for what happened at the meeting" it is inexperience and bad leadership from the CEO.

NJA's behavior at that meeting is so incomprehensible, I don't think stupidity is the explanation. The only thing I can think of is, maybe events did not happen as they were explained to us. Question is, if I am correct, who is lying? And why?

 

[fischman]

NJA's behavior at that meeting is so incomprehensible, I don't think stupidity is the explanation. The only thing I can think of is, maybe events did not happen as they were explained to us. Question is, if I am correct, who is lying? And why?

Well, I don't think your question needs to be answered because most respectfully, you are wrong. Stupidity is the explanation. He wanted to divide, but instead he strengthened the union. Now he is scrambling

Look for a mailer to come to your house next from the company outlining the "deplorable actions of the nefarious union." This is also a divide and conquer tactic designed to fill our heads with fear and doubt in the union leaders. It will all be half-truths and lies that are almost believable that you will think "maybe the EMT actually wanted to meet" and "I never knew the union was that evil". Remember. THEY ARE HALF TRUTHS AND LIES.

The ONLY group in that meeting who are ACTUALLY concerned with US (the pilots) were the union leaders. The EMT is ONLY concerned about THEMSELVES. Want proof? Ask STW if he plans to be here in 2 years. Ask BN the same question (when he tells you yes ask him why he's selling his house then).

 

[G4dude]

Well, I don't think your question needs to be answered because most respectfully, you are wrong. Stupidity is the explanation. He wanted to divide, but instead he strengthened the union. Now he is scrambling

Look for a mailer to come to your house next from the company outlining the "deplorable actions of the nefarious union." This is also a divide and conquer tactic designed to fill our heads with fear and doubt in the union leaders. It will all be half-truths and lies that are almost believable that you will think "maybe the EMT actually wanted to meet" and "I never knew the union was that evil". Remember. THEY ARE HALF TRUTHS AND LIES.

The ONLY group in that meeting who are ACTUALLY concerned with US (the pilots) were the union leaders. The EMT is ONLY concerned about THEMSELVES. Want proof? Ask STW if he plans to be here in 2 years. Ask BN the same question (when he tells you yes ask him why he's selling his house then).

You might be right. However, I know BN and SE, and they are definitely NOT stupid. If they are leaving for greener pastures, I wonder which pastures they are gazing at?

 

[fischman]

You might be right. However, I know BN and SE, and they are definitely NOT stupid. If they are leaving for greener pastures, I wonder which pastures they are gazing at?

They might not be stupid, but they are unwilling (or afraid) to stand up and do what it right for their employees. Instead they have decided to be "yes" men to the Sokol/Hansell regime.

That in itself isn't smart.