NetJets To Picket

[wacoflyr]

Lorenzo merely bought the dead carcass.

If that's the case, I can't think why he was forbidden by the justice department from ever being involved with any airline for the rest of his life. You don't get banned for life for doing good deeds.

 

[BentOver]

If that's the case, I can't think why he was forbidden by the justice department from ever being involved with any airline for the rest of his life. You don't get banned for life for doing good deeds.

Yes, unfortunately NJA has atleast one person who doesn't think Lorenzo was bad for aviation. Please don't judge the rest of us based on 1.

 

[realityman]

The specifics are valid, and will be worked out in time. My worry is macro. I am worried the union will gradually increase NJAs operating costs to the point where we can't compete in the marketplace. In my formative years, I saw the Eastern Airlines employees perpetually at war with their employer. They eventually created such an underperforming company that the stock was worth more dead than alive, creating Frank Lorenzo. He was not the problem, the underproductive and sullen unions, especially the machinists, were the problem. Lorenzo merely bought the dead carcass.

Your fears are valid, however at this time we aren't asking for more. We're asking, no, DEMANDING that our employer honor the contract we currently have. That's not unreasonable. What response do you think the company would have if you are on the 7/7 schedule, but decided you were only going to show up for work for 5 of those days just because you didn't like it? Do you think there might be some action taken by the company to correct that behaviour (carpet dance, demotion, or fired?)? Well, not sure why some folks are so worried that the union is taking action when it's the company violating the contract. Sorry, the contract applies to BOTH parties.

Anyway, I've enjoyed the back and forth with you G4, but you just lost pretty much ALL credibility with me as soon as I read your comments regarding Lorenzo above. You were just kidding, right?! If nothing else, wacoflyer's comment hit the nail on the head. Oh poor Lorenzo, he was just taking advantage of a good business opportunity brought about by those nasty unions?uke:

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Hate the game, not the player. We hate the idiots who think nothing is wrong at Netjets

Too funny...

I love their posters, but didn't realize they had videos, too. Some of those hit a little close to home!

Actually, Waldo would prefer to pump your hand and drop F-bombs like a garbageman (ya know- come down to your level) and then slip away to use the hand sanitizer.

But seriously, we know their side will be taking names etc. Is there someone on our side planning to videotape this event so it can't be maligned or downplayed later?

 

[rajflyboy]

G4

could you possible be on the "S" list?

 

[OPECJet]

I'm surprised the company hasn't tried to re-time the lunch break during company recurrent to NOT coincide with the picket event.

 

[imacdog]

Anyway, I've enjoyed the back and forth with you G4, but you just lost pretty much ALL credibility with me as soon as I read your comments regarding Lorenzo above.

I'm surprised it took as long as it did. :laugh:

 

[G4dude]

G4

could you possible be on the "S" list?

What's that?

 

[G4dude]

Your fears are valid, however at this time we aren't asking for more. We're asking, no, DEMANDING that our employer honor the contract we currently have. That's not unreasonable. What response do you think the company would have if you are on the 7/7 schedule, but decided you were only going to show up for work for 5 of those days just because you didn't like it? Do you think there might be some action taken by the company to correct that behaviour (carpet dance, demotion, or fired?)? Well, not sure why some folks are so worried that the union is taking action when it's the company violating the contract. Sorry, the contract applies to BOTH parties.

Anyway, I've enjoyed the back and forth with you G4, but you just lost pretty much ALL credibility with me as soon as I read your comments regarding Lorenzo above. You were just kidding, right?! If nothing else, wacoflyer's comment hit the nail on the head. Oh poor Lorenzo, he was just taking advantage of a good business opportunity brought about by those nasty unions?uke:

My point is that if it hadn't been Lorenzo, it would have been Icahn or Pickens or somebody else, buying a dead company whose assets were worth more than the functioning corporation. I am no fan of Lorenzo.

 

[G4dude]

Yes, unfortunately NJA has atleast one person who doesn't think Lorenzo was bad for aviation. Please don't judge the rest of us based on 1.

What on earth led you guys to think I am a fan of Lorenzo? Nothing in my posts said that.

 

[BentOver]

You basically proposed that it was the pilots rather than Lorenzo, who was at fault.....any more questions?

Please stop posting. You are giving anyone at NJA a bad name just by spewing your anti-union, pro management, do anything at all costs to ensure the survival of the company, rhetoric. Even if it means cheapening the profession.

You are a cancer and you resemble a 23 yr. old regional pilot yearning for an upgrade at the expense of his fellow aviators.

I know, I know, Fifth Amendment, freedom of speach yada yada...... Bottim line, luckily there are very few of your types around NJA.

 

[G4dude]

You basically proposed that it was the pilots rather than Lorenzo, who was at fault.....any more questions?

Please stop posting. You are giving anyone at NJA a bad name just by spewing your anti-union, pro management, do anything at all costs to ensure the survival of the company, rhetoric. Even if it means cheapening the profession.

You are a cancer and you resemble a 23 yr. old regional pilot yearning for an upgrade at the expense of his fellow aviators.

I know, I know, Fifth Amendment, freedom of speach yada yada...... Bottim line, luckily there are very few of your types around NJA.

Perhaps you should actually READ my posts. I mainly blamed the MACHINISTS union. By the way, did you know the Pilots union actually met secretly with Borman, offering to help break the machinists? A former member of the pilot strike committee told me that.

 

[brokeflyer]

like I said, it's amazing his brain can comprehend how to open the door on that gulfstream.

 

[rajflyboy]

What's that?

Scab List

 

[G4dude]

like I said, it's amazing his brain can comprehend how to open the door on that gulfstream.

I am proud to say you are on the opposite side of how I believe. This affirms my views.

 

[G4dude]

Scab List

Nope. I do know one guy who was an Eastern line crosser.

 

[BentOver]

Perhaps you should actually READ my posts. I mainly blamed the MACHINISTS union. By the way, did you know the Pilots union actually met secretly with Borman, offering to help break the machinists? A former member of the pilot strike committee told me that.

Well, seeing how my step-father is a long time (30+years) member of the Elevator mechanics Union..... I still think you are clueless.

 

[Semore Butts]

G4: I mainly blamed the MACHINISTS union.

First G4, let me apologise for my post on the other thread where I said you were blaming the union.

It was probably one of the few posts you didn't, or sided blindly with management

But, here you are again, blaming a union.

My only consolence if all the GLC guys feel like you do is; that well over 100 of them will be on the streets before they get to me.

On the other hand, maybe if we all pulled together it would get better and we could move in a positive direction?

Whatuya think?

Also, don't you think it is a little reckless to sympathize with the union buster (You said that in the other thread), without having read "Confessions of a Union Buster"?

 

[FLYLOW22]

I'm actually happy that we are picketting after 7 years in retirement.

It's about time.

I wonder how much bad press the EMT will need to weather before changing its behavior?

I remember sales events at several sales events that resulted in NO sales for the day due largely to the coordinated effort of a simple band of unified pilots exercising the right of free speech near the FBO entrance.

Peaceful. Professional. Unified.

This company had better take it's head out of it's ass and work WITH it's pilots before this bear wakes up and gets really pissed.

Or not... Whatever.

Wonder how award Hansell's spanking with Buffett will be this week.

 

[G4dude]

First G4, let me apologise for my post on the other thread where I said you were blaming the union.

It was probably one of the few posts you didn't, or sided blindly with management

But, here you are again, blaming a union.

My only consolence if all the GLC guys feel like you do is; that well over 100 of them will be on the streets before they get to me.

On the other hand, maybe if we all pulled together it would get better and we could move in a positive direction?

Whatuya think?

Also, don't you think it is a little reckless to sympathize with the union buster (You said that in the other thread), without having read "Confessions of a Union Buster"?

Fair enough. I do plan to read it. I said, however, that I sympathize with the union buster, but only using LEGAL methods. Regarding blaming a union, I was repeating what my Eastern Airlines union pilot friends told me about the machinists. These guys, especially the one on the strike committee, were intimately and emotionally involved in the collapse of the once great airline. They KNEW what was going on and where the bodies were buried, and they said the behavior of the machinists union was unconscionable. I am not saying that, THEY did. Cheers! I think NJASAP is pretty much as good as a union can get, actually.