NetJets To Picket

[G4dude]

Gee, that's funny Fisch. I don't recall anybody from NJASAP in the cockpit next to me when I was earning the 7000 flight hours and Gulfstream type rating it took to get hired by NJI....

Jussss sayin.

Not only that, but I did NOT hire on with NJA precisely because the pay was too low. I didn't come on board, and then start screaming about how bad the pay was. I don't understand taking a job in a good job market, and then fulminating to change the company when y'all knew what the pay was when you took the job. The NJA pilots didn't need a union, just a BRAIN, to not fly for the underpaid NJA in the first place, which would have force the company to offer more money in order to attract good pilots. No need for the union at all, as the marketplace would have taken care of the problem. NJI is proof of what I am saying. If they hadn't offered me a good pay package and working conditions, I would not have accepted their offer. Again, an agreement freely consummated, good for both parties. No union required. NJI paid better, worked better, was more enjoyable, and made more money. No union needed there.

 

[brokeflyer]

Free seniority for being FORCED to pay dues, you mean.

quit and go somewhere else then. there are a lot of non union flight departments out there.

 

[G4dude]

quit and go somewhere else then. there are a lot of non union flight departments out there.

It is still a great job, just not as much fun as before. And I was not exposed to the rantings of the union types, which was good. Thank goodness I am on the Five, so the union presence is minimal so far.

 

[fischman]

Good post, realityman. I HATE the 10 hour rule, but it saves the company a lot of money, and I am willing to put up with it. A "slightly lower" quality of life here at NetJets seems a small price to pay for job security in this perilous economy. I want NJA to be competitive, to make a good profit, so I and my friends can stay employed and feed our families. You and I want the same things, but we differ on how best to secure them. Cheers!

The 10 hour rule does save the company money, but "a lot"? I don't think so. We are are talking about a drop of water in the ocean comparatively here.

I think the perilous economy excuse has run its course. The DJIA is over 12,000, NASDAQ is over 2600, unemployment is 8.6% and our competitors are hiring. I think it is time you realize that the reason you are riding coach is because our CEO can't sell jets and is lining his pockets at your expense. All it costs is your QOL. The ONLY way to increase your job security is to get our illustrious CEO to sell some jets and make our current owners happy instead of upset. Staffing is DIRECTLY tied to the amount of owners we have, not which class of ticket we have on the airlines. Not only are we not increasing the amount of owners we have, OUR EMT IS DRIVING THE ONES WE HAVE AWAY!!!

The company can be competitive if your CEO would allow it to be. The economy excuse is just that. So the questions I have for you is, where do you draw the line? At what point do you say enough is enough?

Our picket is our way of telling management that we are drawing the line here. We aren't willing to let the CEO get richer at our expense. There is no section of the CBA that is less valuable than another and we are willing to defend it. It is time for our GLC brothers to understand that and get on board with the rest of us.

 

[CA1900]

Exactly. And as for the supposed non-union NJI, that's a misnomer. NetJets was a union shop since before NJI was ever created. If its pilots really believed it was a separate company, they had their heads in the sand.

 

[G4dude]

The 10 hour rule does save the company money, but "a lot"? I don't think so. We are are talking about a drop of water in the ocean comparatively here.

I think the perilous economy excuse has run its course. The DJIA is over 12,000, NASDAQ is over 2600, unemployment is 8.6% and our competitors are hiring. I think it is time you realize that the reason you are riding coach is because our CEO can't sell jets and is lining his pockets at your expense. All it costs is your QOL. The ONLY way to increase your job security is to get our illustrious CEO to sell some jets and make our current owners happy instead of upset. Staffing is DIRECTLY tied to the amount of owners we have, not which class of ticket we have on the airlines. Not only are we not increasing the amount of owners we have, OUR EMT IS DRIVING THE ONES WE HAVE AWAY!!!

The company can be competitive if your CEO would allow it to be. The economy excuse is just that. So the questions I have for you is, where do you draw the line? At what point do you say enough is enough?

Our picket is our way of telling management that we are drawing the line here. We aren't willing to let the CEO get richer at our expense. There is no section of the CBA that is less valuable than another and we are willing to defend it. It is time for our GLC brothers to understand that and get on board with the rest of us.

The reason we are not selling planes is because of the flat economy, not because the company is inept. Where do I draw the line? Good question. When this job becomes less desirable than another available position, that is where I draw the line by voting with my feet as I leave for the new job. I don't feel the need to collectively force the company to do things for me. If I am happy, relative to the rest of the marketplace, I will stay at NJA. If not, I will go elsewhere. No acrimony against the company required, because all associations are voluntary. And if you want different things, you have the right to pursue them in the open market, just like me.

 

[G4dude]

The 10 hour rule does save the company money, but "a lot"? I don't think so. We are are talking about a drop of water in the ocean comparatively here.

I think the perilous economy excuse has run its course. The DJIA is over 12,000, NASDAQ is over 2600, unemployment is 8.6% and our competitors are hiring. I think it is time you realize that the reason you are riding coach is because our CEO can't sell jets and is lining his pockets at your expense. All it costs is your QOL. The ONLY way to increase your job security is to get our illustrious CEO to sell some jets and make our current owners happy instead of upset. Staffing is DIRECTLY tied to the amount of owners we have, not which class of ticket we have on the airlines. Not only are we not increasing the amount of owners we have, OUR EMT IS DRIVING THE ONES WE HAVE AWAY!!!

The company can be competitive if your CEO would allow it to be. The economy excuse is just that. So the questions I have for you is, where do you draw the line? At what point do you say enough is enough?

Our picket is our way of telling management that we are drawing the line here. We aren't willing to let the CEO get richer at our expense. There is no section of the CBA that is less valuable than another and we are willing to defend it. It is time for our GLC brothers to understand that and get on board with the rest of us.

I hope the CEO makes a lot of money, because that means the stockholders feel he is doing a good job. I just care about what I make. I want you to just care about what YOU make. I want Brokeflyer to just care about what he/she makes.The stockholders will worry about what they pay the CEO.

 

[OPECJet]

The reason we are not selling planes is because of the flat economy, not because the company is inept.

If that were true our competitors would not be selling aircraft either. They are selling, however.

Try again.....

 

[fischman]

The reason we are not selling planes is because of the flat economy, not because the company is inept. Where do I draw the line? Good question. When this job becomes less desirable than another available position, that is where I draw the line by voting with my feet as I leave for the new job. I don't feel the need to collectively force the company to do things for me. If I am happy, relative to the rest of the marketplace, I will stay at NJA. If not, I will go elsewhere. No acrimony against the company required, because all associations are voluntary. And if you want different things, you have the right to pursue them in the open market, just like me.

Like I said earlier, the "flat economy" is not longer a valid excuse. We are not selling shares because the EMT is DRIVING THE OWNERS AWAY. Our company doesn't advertise because most of our business was written by word of mouth. What do you think happens when the owners recommendations to their friends is negative? That is precisely what is happening my friend.

The great thing about you working in a union shop is now if the company decides to make the job "less desirable" than another job, they can't arbitrarily do it. They have to comply with the CBA, and you won't HAVE to go looking. See where I'm going here?

 

[G4dude]

If that were true our competitors would not be selling aircraft either. They are selling, however.

Try again.....

Their growth is pretty much as flat as ours. If they are doing a little better, it is because their product is cheaper because their labor costs are less, especially Flight Options. Every time we increase NJA's cost of operations, it especially benefits Options.