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[fischman]

I'm curious if the GLC guys are going to be laughing after they have to fight for what we have. So far, they have been handed everything from the sweat off of NJASAP's brow...

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'm curious if the GLC guys are going to be laughing after they have to fight for what we have. So far, they have been handed everything from the sweat off of NJASAP's brow...

Gee, that's funny Fisch. I don't recall anybody from NJASAP in the cockpit next to me when I was earning the 7000 flight hours and Gulfstream type rating it took to get hired by NJI....

Jussss sayin.

 

[NJAowner]

The Law

Reality man -- while i do not know gth especifics in a labor venue since you say:

Just wondering G4, but if you were to build a house, and you had a signed contract with the builder covering ALL of the specifics, and one of the things in the contract was that the builder MUST use a certain type of insulation that you want and paid for, and he isn't allowed to change it without your permission, would it then be okay with you if he used a different insulation, assured you it was just as good, but refused to give you any real details about it, and never consulted you about the change, and you had no way to verify the truth of what he was telling you until AFTER the house was built? Because that's just one of the things that you and your laughing buddies think is so amusing (although I know quite a few former NJI pilots, and while not all of them think a union is so great, I don't know any who have even implied that what we're doing is a joke of any kind) with this 401k deal.

Your analogy is addressed by a very famous case. You may want to read the seminal Reading Pipe case, Jacob & Young v Kent. Labor law may me different but this may deal with your analogy, and more facts may be needed.

 

[BentOver]

Gee, that's funny Fisch. I don't recall anybody from NJASAP in the cockpit next to me when I was earning the 7000 flight hours and Gulfstream type rating it took to get hired by NJI....

Jussss sayin.

I know guys who went to NJI without the type....hope you didn't have to pay for the type.

There were no NJASAP guys next to me when I earned the 7000 hrs before going to NJA either. But I'm still proud to have been part of the Union, and still consider myself a NJASAP member... What's your point?

If it wasn't for the unionized workforces in aviation, the low pay would trickle down to every facet of aviation. Aviation needs unions because there are far too many that would do this job for free or for less. Unlike doctors/lawyers, pilots have shown their willingness to work for peanuts just to "be in the air, accumulating flight time."

 

[fischman]

Gee, that's funny Fisch. I don't recall anybody from NJASAP in the cockpit next to me when I was earning the 7000 flight hours and Gulfstream type rating it took to get hired by NJI....

Jussss sayin.

I'm referring to the CBA we fought for and the GLC guys are reaping the benefits of. I'm sure some will come back about getting a pay cut, but remember that the CBA is more comprehensive than section 27. All GLC crew members are benefiting from it whether they want to admit it or not.

 

[NachoMamma]

I'm referring to the CBA we fought for and the GLC guys are reaping the benefits of...All GLC crew members are benefiting from it whether they want to admit it or not.

and not one of them paid a single solitary dime for said privilege, but for some reason were integrated according to DOH anyway. Free seniority...what a deal.

 

[realityman]

Reality man -- while i do not know gth especifics in a labor venue since you say:

Just wondering G4, but if you were to build a house, and you had a signed contract with the builder covering ALL of the specifics, and one of the things in the contract was that the builder MUST use a certain type of insulation that you want and paid for, and he isn't allowed to change it without your permission, would it then be okay with you if he used a different insulation, assured you it was just as good, but refused to give you any real details about it, and never consulted you about the change, and you had no way to verify the truth of what he was telling you until AFTER the house was built? Because that's just one of the things that you and your laughing buddies think is so amusing (although I know quite a few former NJI pilots, and while not all of them think a union is so great, I don't know any who have even implied that what we're doing is a joke of any kind) with this 401k deal.

Your analogy is addressed by a very famous case. You may want to read the seminal Reading Pipe case, Jacob & Young v Kent. Labor law may me different but this may deal with your analogy, and more facts may be needed.

Thanks Owner. I will look it up during my standby time today.

I guess my point was for G4 that our contract, and by association, our compensation package, is being chipped away at little by little (although they are carving out bigger and bigger hunks as they go along), but he has said he finds it amusing "albeit ruefully" that we're trying to put a stop to it. Glad it's funny to him. I wonder if he finds it so funny how any airline under 10 hours will now be flown in coach, which is something that almost exclusively affects the Gulfstream pilots?
But hey, it's not that big a deal, right? Certainly not worth making a big fuss with the company over. It's just ONE thing, right? Why worry about that slightly lower quality brick. It's gonna be a beautiful house!

 

[G4dude]

I'm referring to the CBA we fought for and the GLC guys are reaping the benefits of. I'm sure some will come back about getting a pay cut, but remember that the CBA is more comprehensive than section 27. All GLC crew members are benefiting from it whether they want to admit it or not.

Not only do I NOT admit it, I maintain my job was BETTER when I worked for the non union NJI. And our future prospects were better, because we worked with management instead against them, which made NJI more competitive and more pleasant to work for.

 

[G4dude]

and not one of them paid a single solitary dime for said privilege, but for some reason were integrated according to DOH anyway. Free seniority...what a deal.

Free seniority for being FORCED to pay dues, you mean.

 

[G4dude]

Thanks Owner. I will look it up during my standby time today.

I guess my point was for G4 that our contract, and by association, our compensation package, is being chipped away at little by little (although they are carving out bigger and bigger hunks as they go along), but he has said he finds it amusing "albeit ruefully" that we're trying to put a stop to it. Glad it's funny to him. I wonder if he finds it so funny how any airline under 10 hours will now be flown in coach, which is something that almost exclusively affects the Gulfstream pilots?
But hey, it's not that big a deal, right? Certainly not worth making a big fuss with the company over. It's just ONE thing, right? Why worry about that slightly lower quality brick. It's gonna be a beautiful house!

Good post, realityman. I HATE the 10 hour rule, but it saves the company a lot of money, and I am willing to put up with it. A "slightly lower" quality of life here at NetJets seems a small price to pay for job security in this perilous economy. I want NJA to be competitive, to make a good profit, so I and my friends can stay employed and feed our families. You and I want the same things, but we differ on how best to secure them. Cheers!