USAirways Bid results

[Crzipilot]

On further news. '99 hires holding 75/76 positions. (at 93-95/hr) New hires will be going to 737 and 320 in CLT DCA, 737 in PHL, maybe 13 positions open 190 PHL....

Back to your normally scheduled B*&(D*Fest.....

 

[linecheck]

$93 to $95 hr? Is that for the A FA position or the B?

 

[hoover84]

$93 to $95 hr? Is that for the A FA position or the B?

That's take home pay......

 

[MCDU]

$93 to $95 hr? Is that for the A FA position or the B?

It is more then Westicles get paid.

I think the upward movement, lack of furloughs and a the total stagnation out west proves how important it is to remain separate. New hires would become furlough fodder if the lists would ever get combined.
The Nic was as about as binding as a marriage.The Windfall the Nic created will never happen.

M

 

[Crzipilot]

$93 to $95 hr? Is that for the A FA position or the B?

Actually it's kind of funny, because that's what some of U's f/a's used to make, and even more than that as take home pay 90+, Why is that funny??? Because I don't believe any West f/o has ever seen that....hahaha

Remember your at your highest pay rate in history.....and US is at it's lowest. While a 3-5% pay raise is huge for you, It's peanuts to us, and doesn't make up the difference the travesty of the NIC award would be placed upon the majority of the airline. The new hires included. With 45 newbies coming on board (with talk of 25/month), with an expectation of being on the east coast flying an Airbus or 737 with about 500 numbers below them in 5 years or less, Implementing the NIC would drastically change what they were looking at getting hired at US. Just saying....

 

[cactusboy53]

It is more then Westicles get paid.

I think the upward movement, lack of furloughs and a the total stagnation out west proves how important it is to remain separate. New hires would become furlough fodder if the lists would ever get combined.
The Nic was as about as binding as a marriage.The Windfall the Nic created will never happen.

M

Just keep clickin' them heels Dorothy, Kansas is just around the corner. Changes are coming in 2012 (and it won't be the end of the world). See you in the voting booth.

 

[weasel_lips]

I would venture to guess that the "third listers / new hires" will prefer to have separate ops, even under LOA93. The quickest upgrades in the industry and job security trump the temporary pay raise / furlough that would come with a joint contract.

 

[xanderman]

I'm admittedly confused. First it was separate ops. You claimed you would rather live on LOA 93 than suffer the perceived ills of the NIC. Lately it's been why won't the west help us get a quality contract? Why don't we compromise? Now it's back to separate ops living with LOA 93 forever again?

Frankly I couldn't care less about what you want. Until you guys understand that you will have to include the west you'll be getting nothing. Oh yeah... Upgrades. I almost forgot. Big attrition. Well I have been in this industry for a while and EVERY pilot measures the size of their dick and compares it to the other guy. You'll tired of LOA 93. So will the third-listers. Nobody is gonna fly Capt on an Airbus and max out at $124 and be happy with that... But, hey, you are a stupid bunch.

 

[145BOSS]

757 Captain pays $93-$95 an hour?! You've got to be kidding me!

 

[Hpilot]

Actually it's kind of funny, because that's what some of U's f/a's used to make, and even more than that as take home pay 90+, Why is that funny??? Because I don't believe any West f/o has ever seen that....hahaha

Are you on the NAC? When are you guys going to get it? It's not just the hourly pay that's important. There's duty, rigs, LTD, health insurance, vacation, etc, etc, etc. You're contract sucks and to say different is laughable. I could go down to Taco Bell, spend 10 bucks, have two Negro Modelos, and push out something better. Saying your contract doesn't suck the big one is like me saying I wouldn't benefit from the NIC, versus DOH, total bull poop.

 

[ackattacker]

757 Captain pays $93-$95 an hour?! You've got to be kidding me!

Get a clue, they're talking about F/O pay.

 

[waveflyer]

You have to understand - those of us w/ the 8" dicks, laugh at the 5" dicks comparing themselves to the 4.5" dicks-

USAIR is dragging down the industry for a decade and that's all that matters-

 

[Hpilot]

You have to understand - those of us w/ the 8" dicks, laugh at the 5" dicks comparing themselves to the 4.5" dicks-

USAIR is dragging down the industry for a decade and that's all that matters-

Sorry if I'm laughing at you, but mine's 8 3/4" :beer:

 

[MCDU]

Give me a break. United have about the same rate. A few bucks more with a much lower guarantee plus 1000 plus furloughed. United is Alpa.
Usair has been a great career for many. Overall earnings outmatch most. To bad the last 8 years had to end on a low note.

M

 

[Whataburger]

Sorry if I'm laughing at you, but mine's 8 3/4" :beer:

Mine's 5 1/8.

It always pleases me though!

 

[Hpilot]

Mine's 5 1/8.

It always pleases me though!

Yeah, but there are a lot of women out there that want a big, thick,.........wallet.

 

[waveflyer]

Haha-

M/- seems you're stuck in a time capsule a decade ago-
United's your example? Its pay does suck but not a high bar- they lost two hulls in 9/11 and still make 10% more than you-
And by all signs, they'll have a JCBA before you- and if they pull crap like you- they'll be getting the same earful-
The difference is you TURNED DOWN HIGHER PAY, AND CONTINUE TO SAY YOU'RE WILLING TO UNDERCUT EVERYONE FOR 6+ years-
That's a big diff IMO

 

[cactusboy53]

It is more then Westicles get paid.

I think the upward movement, lack of furloughs and a the total stagnation out west proves how important it is to remain separate. New hires would become furlough fodder if the lists would ever get combined.
The Nic was as about as binding as a marriage.The Windfall the Nic created will never happen.

M

First of all, if you are a gainfully employed US Airways pilot and have access to WINGS: You can go to the Flight Operations section.

In that section you can read the following documents in PDF format: The AWA contract, the AAA Contract, LOA 93, etc.

According to these documents AWA Captain's top out at $141.85/hr, and FO's top out at $93.61/hr. There is also a $4.00/$3.00 per hour kicker for HI/Intl (Cosa Rica), so TECHNICALLY the FO going to Hawaii is getting $96.61 in the B757, so that definitely is better than the PHL B757 driver going to Shannon @ the "93- $95 per hour" (our pay is for all fleets, BTW).

If you are comparing, you really should count in the NB FO pay on the east: $85.00/hr (also these are rates for pilots with at least 12-15 years of time on property).

We get 1 for 2 Duty, 1 for 3:45 TAFB Rig, 4 weeks vacation, full DH pay & full cancellation pay.

For every year that you insist on remaining on LOA93 your Captains give up (at least) $45,000.00 in lost wages, time off and other contract improvements.

The beauty of a contract vote? We each get ONE vote, and you can do that in the privacy of your home. No one will know which way you vote. So, if Parker offers the current AWA contract + current DAL Fleet wages....would you vote for it? I probably would.

LURKERS: Are you tired of USAPA's losses? Are you tired of LOA93? Are you now convinced that SSM&P could not produce the "slam dunk" of DOH? Are you ready for a POSITIVE change?

1. Become a member in good standing.
2. Become informed and read court documents & proceedings.
3. Become involved and ask questions of your USAPA representatives.
4. Prepare to vote for the general elections.
5. If you have the time and skill set, please volunteer.
6. Prepare to vote on a contract proposal; DO NOT accept the proposal unless you think it is the very best that the company can put out.
7. Be vocal with USAPA and with the company.

 

[ALGFLYR]

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According to these documents AWA Captain's top out at $141.85/hr, and FO's top out at $93.61/hr. There is also a $4.00/$3.00 per hour kicker for HI/Intl (Cosa Rica), so TECHNICALLY the FO going to Hawaii is getting $96.61 in the B757, so that definitely is better than the PHL B757 driver going to Shannon @ the "93- $95 per hour" (our pay is for all fleets, BTW)

Just to be a fair comparison, the 93-95 per hour was for the pilots on the 8-9 year payscale. So a West FO would be making 87-88 per hour... Add in the intl. override and technically a West FO going to Hawaii is making LESS than that pilot going to Shannon...

 

[abefly]

Just to be a fair comparison, the 93-95 per hour was for the pilots on the 8-9 year payscale. So a West FO would be making 87-88 per hour... Add in the intl. override and technically a West FO going to Hawaii is making LESS than that pilot going to Shannon...

Yeah but the beer is real expensive in Hawaii. How much is it in Shannon? Thats the real question.