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Why is it when someone is happy with their job, they must be a stooge or a managment plant?
 
ProFracPilot said:
I wish you a speedy recovery, G4. And I'm glad you will have your flying job to return to after your recovery is complete.

FMLA doesn't guarantee that.
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Thanks for the good wishes. I gotta ask a dumb question, what is FMLA? I am not good with acronyms, among other things. :-)
 
pilotyip said:
Why is it when someone is happy with their job, they must be a stooge or a managment plant?
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To be fair to my detractors, I tend to only come out when a hot button Union issue is on tap, because I don't like the union philosophy, as you might have noticed. So it appears like I am a hired gun, one using blanks, of course. Cheers!
 
pilotyip said:
Why is it when someone is happy with their job, they must be a stooge or a managment plant?
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Being happy with a job is one thing, I think we can all agree on that. What tipped G4's hand was his nonchalant reaction to the idea of losing a job because someone came in and offered to work for less. Saying "Oh well" isn't the response of someone who does this for a living. Unfortunately for G, he bit off too much in his attempts to be argumentative against those he considers union supporters and ventured into the just plain ridiculous. Only stooges like B19 and FamilyGuy do stuff like that.
 
imacdog said:
Being happy with a job is one thing, I think we can all agree on that. What tipped G4's hand was his nonchalant reaction to the idea of losing a job because someone came in and offered to work for less. Saying "Oh well" isn't the response of someone who does this for a living. Unfortunately for G, he bit off too much in his attempts to be argumentative against those he considers union supporters and ventured into the just plain ridiculous. Only stooges like B19 and FamilyGuy do stuff like that.
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You are wrong, as usual. I only have said what any free marketeer would say, from Adam Smith to Hayek to Friedman to Stephen Moore to Ronald Reagan. I would absolutely HATE to lose this job. It would devastate my family financially. But the job doesn't belong to me, so I do my best to perform in such a way that NJA doesn't feel the need to replace me. So far so good.
 
G4dude said:
To be fair to my detractors, I tend to only come out when a hot button Union issue is on tap, because I don't like the union philosophy, as you might have noticed. So it appears like I am a hired gun, one using blanks, of course. Cheers!
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Me thinks ye proteseth too much...
 
G4dude said:
Thanks for the good wishes. I gotta ask a dumb question, what is FMLA? I am not good with acronyms, among other things. :-)
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Seriously? You have never heard of FMLA?!?

Who honestly believes a word this person types?

Wolfie? Gutshot? Is this guy for real?

My head is sore from all the facepalms.
 
fischman said:
Seriously? You have never heard of FMLA?!?

Who honestly believes a word this person types?

Wolfie? Gutshot? Is this guy for real?

My head is sore from all the facepalms.
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Yep, our boy jumped the shark on that one!
 
G4dude said:
Or go fly for another company who paid me more. Which I am looking at doing now, due to the activities of our beloved union.
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Where do I forward the job leads?
 
fischman said:
Seriously? You have never heard of FMLA?!?

Who honestly believes a word this person types?

Wolfie? Gutshot? Is this guy for real?

My head is sore from all the facepalms.
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We don't spend our time discussing all this contract/ workers rights stuff when we fly. We talk about our 401Ks, sports, the weird and wonderful workings of the Female brain (thanks Alistair MacLean), politics, our favorite restaurants, our kids and grandkids, stories about unusual things we have experienced in the plane to watch out for, President Obama, guns (some of us, not me), airplanes, golf, our favorite destinations, the ridiculously complex STAR we will have to comply with with in several hours, the worrisome thing we hope the union won't do next. We don't think management is idiotic or criminal. Our culture is just very different, that's all. Ask the "A" guys and gals who came over, if you don't believe me. Ask them how much they enjoy being here, watch them smile. We don't have the contract memorized, in fact, we hardly know what the highlights are. I haven't looked at that thing in months, perhaps I should. We just fly and have fun and hope the company prospers, so we can continue to fly and have fun.
 
G4, if (god forbid) someone you love becomes seriously ill, so that you have to be by their bedside 24/7 caring for them, you will quickly become familiar with the FMLA, and you will bless the people who created it. Every family that has had children since the '90's knows about it. The FMLA is one of the few acts that makes our country a little more civilized in how it treats its citizens. Brought to you by unions and the Democratic Party, with, to be fair, some help from moderate republicans. Many a manager has tried to ignore it, or to pretend that it does not work the way that it was intended. Luckily for every one who draws a paycheck, it does.

Waco
 
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wacoflyr said:
G4, if (god forbid) someone you love becomes seriously ill, so that you have to be by their bedside 24/7 caring for them, you will quickly become familiar with the FMLA, and you will bless the people who created it. Every family that has had children since the '90's knows about it. The FMLA is one of the few acts that makes our country a little more civilized in how it treats its citizens. Brought to you by unions and the Democratic Party, with, to be fair, some help from moderate republicans. Many a manager has tried to ignore it, or to pretend that it does not work the way that it was intended. Luckily for every one who draws a paycheck, it does.

Waco
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Thanks for that info, but I wonder. Is it compassionate to take other people's money to help my loved one? Shouldn't my loved one's loved ones pony up, including me, which, by the way, I am doing as we speak? Why is it compassionate for a third party to take from Peter to pay Paul? Its a really good deal for Paul, but what about Peter? It is also a good deal for the third party, who gets to talk about how compassionate he is, with Other People's Money. Just sayin.
 
For claiming he pays no attention to union matters or the contract, G4 sure does talk a lot about them, doesn't he? The contradictions coming from his screen name here leave one's head spinning, unless of course you realize that he's being paid to try to divide the pilot group and make some ridiculous pitch for management (which through reason and logic has been shot down). He won't go away until this latest issue has been resolved, then we'll see him and B19 again come contract time. All the while he's claiming he doesn't visit the union message board and doesn't know the issues affecting the pilot group. Interesting.
 
imacdog said:
For claiming he pays no attention to union matters or the contract, G4 sure does talk a lot about them, doesn't he? The contradictions coming from his screen name here leave one's head spinning, unless of course you realize that he's being paid to try to divide the pilot group and make some ridiculous pitch for management (which through reason and logic has been shot down). He won't go away until this latest issue has been resolved, then we'll see him and B19 again come contract time. All the while he's claiming he doesn't visit the union message board and doesn't know the issues affecting the pilot group. Interesting.
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What's even worse, I am doing all this for FREE. :-)
 
imacdog said:
For claiming he pays no attention to union matters or the contract, G4 sure does talk a lot about them, doesn't he? The contradictions coming from his screen name here leave one's head spinning, unless of course you realize that he's being paid to try to divide the pilot group and make some ridiculous pitch for management (which through reason and logic has been shot down). He won't go away until this latest issue has been resolved, then we'll see him and B19 again come contract time. All the while he's claiming he doesn't visit the union message board and doesn't know the issues affecting the pilot group. Interesting.
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I don't know what you are worried about, IMAC. You have the numbers. I freely admit my view is in the minority. I just enjoy the conversation.
 
G4dude said:
Thanks for that info, but I wonder. Is it compassionate to take other people's money to help my loved one? Shouldn't my loved one's loved ones pony up, including me, which, by the way, I am doing as we speak? Why is it compassionate for a third party to take from Peter to pay Paul? Its a really good deal for Paul, but what about Peter? It is also a good deal for the third party, who gets to talk about how compassionate he is, with Other People's Money. Just sayin.
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FLMA only guarantees the time off- your saved vacation and sick time are your pay and when they run out, you are no longer paid, but you will have a job to come back to. There could be individual companies that for one reason or another offer pay on FLMA leave that doesn't come out of sick our vacation days, but that is not the law.
 
jtf said:
FLMA only guarantees the time off- your saved vacation and sick time are your pay and when they run out, you are no longer paid, but you will have a job to come back to. There could be individual companies that for one reason or another offer pay on FLMA leave that doesn't come out of sick our vacation days, but that is not the law.
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Thanks for the clarification, jtf.
 
jtf said:
FLMA only guarantees the time off- your saved vacation and sick time are your pay and when they run out, you are no longer paid, but you will have a job to come back to. There could be individual companies that for one reason or another offer pay on FLMA leave that doesn't come out of sick our vacation days, but that is not the law.
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But maybe not the job you left. There are loop holes in that law big enough to drive a G-IV through.

I don't know NJ's CBA inside and out, but I'm fairly certain your flying job is protected - by the CBA - for however long you're on medical leave. You don't have to accept that negotiated benefit if you don't want to - feel free to give your job to someone else.
 
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Once you used up your leave and vacation time you'd revert to something like an LOA. Your job would be secure.
 
squonk said:
Once you used up your leave and vacation time you'd revert to something like an LOA. Your job would be secure.
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So the company could fill my position while I was out, but would have to give it back to me when I can fly again?
 
I don't think they would "fill your position"

But if the company approved your LOA, you would get your job back.

(That is all explained in the contract)

You didn't have that in writing at NJI?????Hmmmm?????

I hope you also have the Loss of License insurance the Union made available last spring?

Hope your feeling well today, I figured you were a little crabby today since I just got done rebuffing your post on the other thread.

Lastly, since your laid up sick at home READ THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, we are all stuck in this together, we can use all the educated pilots we can get.

Have a good one G4! Semore

(Hell, we aren't even being shot at for Petes sakes!)
 
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