JB pilots say no to alpa/Barely

[$$$4nothin]

The National Mediation Board (NMB) has reported the final election results. Pilots elected to retain their direct relationship with JetBlue.

1,193 (58%) - Voted NO to representation

857 (41%) - Voted YES to ALPA

23 (1%) - Write-in ballots for representation

2,108 (99%) - Number of Pilots voting (2,121 Eligible)

 

[detwilers]

I wonder which way it would have gone if it were for an in house union as opposed to ALPA?

 

[milehigh6080]

Maybe when we get bought, the acquiring carrier's union can stipulate that the yes voters get fairly integrated and the no voters have to interview. Who's to say it can't happen? There are no rules that will help us.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I didnt get a vote. But I am glad there was almost 100% participation.

 

[detwilers]

I didnt get a vote. But I am glad there was almost 100% participation.

Yeah that was crazy. At my previous carriers you were lucky to have a 66% participation on the most important votes. I didn't get a vote either.

 

[Caveman]

I wonder which way it would have gone if it were for an in house union as opposed to ALPA?

We did that two years ago. 646 out of approximately 1900 voted for an in-house union.

 

[ClrdForOption]

I also did not get to vote... my paint is too new. I'm glad that everyone voted... now we shall see what the company is going to do.

 

[Beechnut]

I also did not get to vote... my paint is too new. I'm glad that everyone voted... now we shall see what the company is going to do.

Nothing. Your retirement is still severely underfunded, you can't have joinder for contract violations, and you have no job protections.

 

[kommutrdog]

This was a REBUKE OF ALPA not necessarily a "pro direct relationship" result.

ALPA sh*t their nest for so long that many pilots were thinking along the lines of:

"Yea, we have big problems and really need a CBA, BUT....ALPA? Seriously? No f*cking way".

The failure of this election falls on Duane Woerth(less) and the wake of ill will and distrust which is his legacy. Don't ever forget that.

 

[Caveman]

I also did not get to vote... my paint is too new. I'm glad that everyone voted... now we shall see what the company is going to do.

They ain't gonna do squat. Why should they? Almost 1200 of my peers said they were good with the way things were. There were no promises made this time. They simply begged us to vote 'no' and we did. We'll get nothing. Frankly, we deserve nothing.

 

[Flyer1015]

The failure of this election falls on Duane Woerth(less) and the wake of ill will and distrust which is his legacy. Don't ever forget that.

That's true. Probably lots of pilots came to JetBlue during his reign at ALPA, and many of these guys tired of seeing what ALPA had done to their old airline.

 

[sligo1]

That's true. Probably lots of pilots came to JetBlue during his reign at ALPA, and many of these guys tired of seeing what ALPA had done to their old airline.

Wait and see what ALPA does do to J.B. pilots, should a merger or aquisition take place between JetBlue and an ALPA carrier. Good luck with that one as ALPA legal has all the ins and outs of the P.E.A. and the loopholes they include. That will be some serious payback. Oh but wait we have a 2 million divided by 2300 pilot warchest to fight our battle.

 

[cowboy55]

This was a REBUKE OF ALPA not necessarily a "pro direct relationship" result.

ALPA sh*t their nest for so long that many pilots were thinking along the lines of:

"Yea, we have big problems and really need a CBA, BUT....ALPA? Seriously? No f*cking way".

The failure of this election falls on Duane Woerth(less) and the wake of ill will and distrust which is his legacy. Don't ever forget that.

Thats how I feel. Time to start the JBPA drive again... I think we will get more support with JBPA now that the ALPA threat is over. In house is the way to go.

 

[sligo1]

JBPA will never happen. This pilot group will never pony up the initial cost and assesments of an in house drive. Good luck with it as I am sure all of us that have been involved with and supported, the last two drives- well we are exhausted. I'd support it but will play on the side lines from now on.

 

[DX Rick]

Wait and see what ALPA does do to J.B. pilots, should a merger or aquisition take place between JetBlue and an ALPA carrier. Good luck with that one as ALPA legal has all the ins and outs of the P.E.A. and the loopholes they include. That will be some serious payback. Oh but wait we have a 2 million divided by 2300 pilot warchest to fight our battle.

Just like what ALPA is doing to the SWA pilots?

 

[jetflier]

Regional Air Line Pilots Association, = ALPA

Jet Blue Pilots are better off representing them selves as the JBPA and CAPA http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNG2cZN_OZBg4TFiLxcTAcyLW8HLKg&cad=rja

ALPA has a fair duty of representation to represent all of its MEC's, most of which are now Regional Airlines, not Legacy, National or LCC's.

 

[pilotyip]

Wow! What someone doesn't want ALPA?

 

[Flyby1206]

This was a REBUKE OF ALPA not necessarily a "pro direct relationship" result.

ALPA sh*t their nest for so long that many pilots were thinking along the lines of:

"Yea, we have big problems and really need a CBA, BUT....ALPA? Seriously? No f*cking way".

The failure of this election falls on Duane Woerth(less) and the wake of ill will and distrust which is his legacy. Don't ever forget that.

+1

Third time's the charm?

 

[sligo1]

Just like what ALPA is doing to the SWA pilots?

Yes at least they are in a position to bargain and vote. Lets see a substantial pay raise, benefits and QOL sounds okay to me vs. a preferential interview or complete staple, if lucky.

 

[DX Rick]

Yes at least they are in a position to bargain and vote. Lets see a substantial pay raise, benefits and QOL sounds okay to me vs. a preferential interview or complete staple, if lucky.

Who is jetBlue going to merge with? Delta, courts won't allow it. United? Again, courts won't allow it....so there are your only ALPA legacy carriers left behind.

As far as for the guy who said "There goes your job protection"...Just like Aloha, Midwest, ATA and all the other defunct ALPA carriers? The only carriers that successfully beat away the regional feeder service was SWA.

ALPA is like Polyester. It's a thing of the past, and only the losers are wearing it.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

The fact remains that 42% of the pilot group voted for representation. Only 58% voted "no." This pilot group is almost split down the middle. Looking back on the last 2 union drives, the percentage of "yes" voters has increased quite a bit. I believe the vote failed a few years ago with only about 33% voting "yes." 2 union drives in as many years definitely sends a strong message. Stay tuned.....it's going to be quite a ride!

 

[sligo1]

Who is jetBlue going to merge with? Delta, courts won't allow it. United? Again, courts won't allow it....so there are your only ALPA legacy carriers left behind.

As far as for the guy who said "There goes your job protection"...Just like Aloha, Midwest, ATA and all the other defunct ALPA carriers? The only carriers that successfully beat away the regional feeder service was SWA.

ALPA is like Polyester. It's a thing of the past, and only the losers are wearing it.

Courts wont allow it? What crack pipe are you smoking? Think again my friend there have been many mergers throughout history that get DOJ approval. Jetblue is not a major airline in the grand scheme of things. Northeast, Carribean and FL, just another Peoples Express - 20 years later.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Dear management: 58% is not a mandate.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I really think JBPA would have passed this time. I know a ton of guys who just voted against ALPA.

 

[sligo1]

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[Otto77]

time for us to start working on bringing JBPA in.

 

[Blue Dude]

time for us to start working on bringing JBPA in.

Be my guest. That ship sailed years ago, after being killed by management. JBPA was supposed to be a cooperative in-house union, but the ELT didn't want even that. Any union-management relationship here will be at the very least slow and reluctant, if not outright adversarial. This means money, a lot of it. This is the same pilot group of which only about a third participates in a pilot assistance fund that costs $15 or less a month. Almost two-thirds can't be bothered. For many, 2% dues was a deal-breaker. How in the world are you going to start up and operate an in-house in this environment?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I really think JBPA would have passed this time. I know a ton of guys who just voted against ALPA.

Of course! Who would vote ALPA in when the TWA assessment is looming...

 

[kommutrdog]

JBPA will never happen. This pilot group will never pony up the initial cost and assesments of an in house drive. Good luck with it as I am sure all of us that have been involved with and supported, the last two drives- well we are exhausted. I'd support it but will play on the side lines from now on.

I kind of disagree:

"IF" the company and the pilot group ever saw the light of day and TOGETHER created a CBA (with seed money from the company) we could rule the world...or at least our little corner of it.

JB management + JB pilots + Lufthansa's "interest" = serious, serious upside for all of us, but only if all the players have enough "vision" to see this. On this point, I'm not optimistic because most people have their narrow-minded, myopic head buried in their own problems-du-jour to be willing to zoom out and view the entire playing field from above and see all the moving pieces.

 

[pilotyip]

Be my guest. That ship sailed years ago, after being killed by management. JBPA was supposed to be a cooperative in-house union, but the ELT didn't want even that. Any union-management relationship here will be at the very least slow and reluctant, if not outright adversarial. This means money, a lot of it. This is the same pilot group of which only about a third participates in a pilot assistance fund that costs $15 or less a month. Almost two-thirds can't be bothered. For many, 2% dues was a deal-breaker. How in the world are you going to start up and operate an in-house in this environment?

Voluntary union dues, my what a novel concept. Doing wonders in Wisc.