JB pilots say no to alpa/Barely

[Ski-N-Fly]

The fact remains that 42% of the pilot group voted for representation. Only 58% voted "no." This pilot group is almost split down the middle. Looking back on the last 2 union drives, the percentage of "yes" voters has increased quite a bit. I believe the vote failed a few years ago with only about 33% voting "yes." 2 union drives in as many years definitely sends a strong message. Stay tuned.....it's going to be quite a ride!

 

[sligo1]

Who is jetBlue going to merge with? Delta, courts won't allow it. United? Again, courts won't allow it....so there are your only ALPA legacy carriers left behind.

As far as for the guy who said "There goes your job protection"...Just like Aloha, Midwest, ATA and all the other defunct ALPA carriers? The only carriers that successfully beat away the regional feeder service was SWA.

ALPA is like Polyester. It's a thing of the past, and only the losers are wearing it.

Courts wont allow it? What crack pipe are you smoking? Think again my friend there have been many mergers throughout history that get DOJ approval. Jetblue is not a major airline in the grand scheme of things. Northeast, Carribean and FL, just another Peoples Express - 20 years later.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Dear management: 58% is not a mandate.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I really think JBPA would have passed this time. I know a ton of guys who just voted against ALPA.

 

[sligo1]

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[Otto77]

time for us to start working on bringing JBPA in.

 

[Blue Dude]

time for us to start working on bringing JBPA in.

Be my guest. That ship sailed years ago, after being killed by management. JBPA was supposed to be a cooperative in-house union, but the ELT didn't want even that. Any union-management relationship here will be at the very least slow and reluctant, if not outright adversarial. This means money, a lot of it. This is the same pilot group of which only about a third participates in a pilot assistance fund that costs $15 or less a month. Almost two-thirds can't be bothered. For many, 2% dues was a deal-breaker. How in the world are you going to start up and operate an in-house in this environment?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I really think JBPA would have passed this time. I know a ton of guys who just voted against ALPA.

Of course! Who would vote ALPA in when the TWA assessment is looming...

 

[kommutrdog]

JBPA will never happen. This pilot group will never pony up the initial cost and assesments of an in house drive. Good luck with it as I am sure all of us that have been involved with and supported, the last two drives- well we are exhausted. I'd support it but will play on the side lines from now on.

I kind of disagree:

"IF" the company and the pilot group ever saw the light of day and TOGETHER created a CBA (with seed money from the company) we could rule the world...or at least our little corner of it.

JB management + JB pilots + Lufthansa's "interest" = serious, serious upside for all of us, but only if all the players have enough "vision" to see this. On this point, I'm not optimistic because most people have their narrow-minded, myopic head buried in their own problems-du-jour to be willing to zoom out and view the entire playing field from above and see all the moving pieces.

 

[pilotyip]

Be my guest. That ship sailed years ago, after being killed by management. JBPA was supposed to be a cooperative in-house union, but the ELT didn't want even that. Any union-management relationship here will be at the very least slow and reluctant, if not outright adversarial. This means money, a lot of it. This is the same pilot group of which only about a third participates in a pilot assistance fund that costs $15 or less a month. Almost two-thirds can't be bothered. For many, 2% dues was a deal-breaker. How in the world are you going to start up and operate an in-house in this environment?

Voluntary union dues, my what a novel concept. Doing wonders in Wisc.

 

[aewanabe]

Yip, you're an ass. The BPF is a PMA association, designed to cover gaping
Holes in our disability/lol coverage. Go back to your corner, troll.

 

[pilotyip]

FI at it best

Yip, you're an ass. The BPF is a PMA association, designed to cover gaping
Holes in our disability/lol coverage. Go back to your corner, troll.

ah! a little name calling, it so FI. If you are going post in public, you have to expect this freedom of speech thing to pop up once in a while. I wish union dues had been voluntary back in my union days. I would have come out ahead when both companies went out of business. IBT was even nice enought to take dues out of my severance check when Zantop folded.

 

[B6Busdriver]

ah! a little name calling, it so FI. If you are going post in public, you have to expect this freedom of speech thing to pop up once in a while. I wish union dues had been voluntary back in my union days. I would have come out ahead when both companies went out of business. IBT was even nice enought to take dues out of my severance check when Zantop folded.

You don't have a clue about what you speak. You've really stepped on it this time. The Blue Pilot Fund has made 9 generous donations to pilots in SERIOUS need. This is a by pilot for pilot entity. Try having a tall glass of stfu.

 

[pilotyip]

You don't have a clue about what you speak. You've really stepped on it this time. The Blue Pilot Fund has no made 9 generous donations to pilots in SERIOUS need. This is a by pilot for pilot entity. Try having a tall glass of stfu.

ah! we meet again, remember public forum, the ignore function might work well for you.

 

[Dizel8]

Mr.Barger is against any kind of union, in-house or otherwise.

 

[DUATS]

I like the guy who voted for the Major League Baseball Player's Association. Nice....

 

[Fins Up]

I kind of disagree:

"IF" the company and the pilot group ever saw the light of day and TOGETHER created a CBA (with seed money from the company) we could rule the world...or at least our little corner of it.

JB management + JB pilots + Lufthansa's "interest" = serious, serious upside for all of us, but only if all the players have enough "vision" to see this. On this point, I'm not optimistic because most people have their narrow-minded, myopic head buried in their own problems-du-jour to be willing to zoom out and view the entire playing field from above and see all the moving pieces.

Not trying to throw flame here but that is quite a pipe dream. Management has made it abundently clear that they will not support any kind of union; in-house, out-house, pilot, FA, GO, whatever. I don't ever see that changing. I would vote for one though, except IBT.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I would vote for one though, except IBT.

The only thing IBT is good at is collecting dues.

 

[pilotyip]

The only thing IBT is good at is collecting dues.

someone else gets it. Nice touch

 

[sligo1]

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