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Mookie
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Good to see you're still making friends w the guys who help you commute to work.
This years "suicide" airline is next years prime place to be...
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Couldn't have been said better. I rolled the dice and went to a crummy Regional in 1999...looking for that quick upgrade. I got that quick upgrade alright...but 9-11 happened, and I was there about 5 years longer than I expected.
The 3 posts above are AS pilot so I can give you actual info. But the 3 above all have valid points.
F- is right for the people that have been here 10 years and can't hold CA. Sucks.
Capt- it's a gamble - like every regional.
Mookie- right on. That is actually funny.
The current info. 48 - Q400's. They say we are growing and going to add 2 more planes into the schedule in January. There is talk of classes in the Fall. A buddies buddies buddy spoke with the Chief Pilot and said there will be interviews in the end of September. Management is expecting a large amount of attrition in 2012, with AS hiring and other majors. Many people are trying to jump ship.
Other stuff: our pay arbitration is being voted on now with a pay. freeze but we give up a lot more. I voted NO. The company sent to the arbitrator a 5% pay decrease and the Union wants a 2.8% increase for CA and 4% increase for FO's over 2 years.
The moral is dangerous here. I actually can see a large amount of growth if the company wins the arbitration. If the company loses I can see stagnation and no growth except for attrition. Hope this helps
F- is right for the people that have been here 10 years and can't hold CA. Sucks.
Capt- it's a gamble - like every regional.
Mookie- right on. That is actually funny.
The current info. 48 - Q400's. They say we are growing and going to add 2 more planes into the schedule in January. There is talk of classes in the Fall. A buddies buddies buddy spoke with the Chief Pilot and said there will be interviews in the end of September. Management is expecting a large amount of attrition in 2012, with AS hiring and other majors. Many people are trying to jump ship.
Other stuff: our pay arbitration is being voted on now with a pay. freeze but we give up a lot more. I voted NO. The company sent to the arbitrator a 5% pay decrease and the Union wants a 2.8% increase for CA and 4% increase for FO's over 2 years.
The moral is dangerous here. I actually can see a large amount of growth if the company wins the arbitration. If the company loses I can see stagnation and no growth except for attrition. Hope this helps
Fubijaakr
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Mook,
I'm not dissin' QX pilots. I'm just stating the facts. There are 10 to 12 year QX pilots who can't hold CA since the jets left.
And you know as well as I do that EVERYTHING about airline life is based on seniority. So you have to get to your major ASAP and start making numbers...or you end up commuting to ANC. Right?
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It Mookie, not "mook", d-bag. Nice try, dude.
Hopefully the next generation of AS pilots won't roll over like the previous one did and sell out our scope.
(sorry for the hijack, Qx'ers...)
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Nice try at a slam..
Funny, that's what people told me about Eagle in 2007. Now look where they are.
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I guess I'm not the typical new hire wanna-be. I am finishing up one career and looking towards another, I am familiar with most of the one vs another airline arguments. Currently I fly part-time second seat citation in the NW for a really awesome company, but not much chance for a full time spot. Chasing a quick upgrade is not important to me, I would like to become a skilled professional pilot first.
I think QX has an awesome product and hope they are around for a long time. I enjoy flying. Corny but true. I am pretty happy where I am. Thanks!
NWaviator thanks for the information, I will keep an eye out....
Griff
I guess I'm not the typical new hire wanna-be. I am finishing up one career and looking towards another, I am familiar with most of the one vs another airline arguments. Currently I fly part-time second seat citation in the NW for a really awesome company, but not much chance for a full time spot. Chasing a quick upgrade is not important to me, I would like to become a skilled professional pilot first.
I think QX has an awesome product and hope they are around for a long time. I enjoy flying. Corny but true. I am pretty happy where I am. Thanks!
NWaviator thanks for the information, I will keep an eye out....
Griff
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If you'd like to go to QX because it's your "home town" airline then all the power to you. All i'm saying is by the time youre coming out of reserve as an FO at QX you'll be a captain on the Q at Colgan.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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QX will be scuttled by AAG. The only thing that will save QX is the crappy CBA with baseball style arbitration and that fact the company will slash and burn QX. It is now your turn to be in the barrel.
Sorry...I would go somewhere else and try to get the quick upgrade and position yourself for the BIG PILOT SHORTAGE. Sorry for yelling, as I was trying to say that one with a straight face.
Sorry...I would go somewhere else and try to get the quick upgrade and position yourself for the BIG PILOT SHORTAGE. Sorry for yelling, as I was trying to say that one with a straight face.
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Sez the bottom feeding, jizz lapping, chode from gheyjets. You are really the last one to be giving career advice.
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awesome...and note that FUbi agreed with him.
Chasing the ever elusive "quick upgrade" will certainly bite 99% of the guys in the assh....
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1000 PIC? Where can you go that's hiring now? Is that 1000 PIC competitive when you're up against hundreds of RJ captains with 5 times that? Chasing a quick upgrade is futile. Find someplace with a base you can cope with and go from there. All regionals are stepping stones and this month's quick upgrade isn't always next month's.
How long it took today's Captains to upgrade has absolutely no baring on how long it will take a new hire to upgrade.
When I got on at American Eagle in 1999 upgrades were at 14 months in SJU or 18 months in JFK. I left long before but my class ended up getting upgraded but it would have taken 10 years had I stayed.
You've got to look at growth plans and likely attrition.
My personal prediction is that Horizon will end up being prety okay for a new hire FO. Alaska is unusal in that it REALLY wants to hire Horizon FO's. Once hiring starts at the majors again, especially AS. QX pilots will have the added benefit of losing Captains and FO's senior to them fairly quickly vs. the usual pattern of the draws coming from the Captain ranks.
QX is a small airline...couple of planes a couple of retirements and a couple of guys geting hired out makes a large difference.
Alaska hires a comparatively large portion of pilots they interview...they are planning to hire 300+ over the next 2 years...if 30% come from Horizon as planned, that would make a huge dent in the seniority list.
So lets see...Sea base chief pilot....not really a source..2000 by 2000....156 airplanes by 2010....face it bro..by the time we sign another contract, VA will be larger than AS....
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That nitwit has been prancing around his parents "basement apartment", in stripper high heels and a g-string for quite awhile, too bad he is in reality a 17 year old male virgin with a real bad case of chacne and huge man tittyies that would make Carol Doda jealous, all the while pretending to be a ghey jhets gear monkey. The perfect irony would be if he really had a pilots certificate vs MS Flt sim and 086 computer....and worked at ghey jhets.....
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