Horizon Airlines?

[Mookie]

Sez the bottom feeding, jizz lapping, chode from gheyjets. You are really the last one to be giving career advice.

awesome...and note that FUbi agreed with him.

Chasing the ever elusive "quick upgrade" will certainly bite 99% of the guys in the assh....

Mookie

 

[Fubijaakr]

So, Mookie, your advice is to go to QX, wait 12 years for an upgrade and HOPE you get one of the 30% of the AS interviews for F/Os with 2000 SIC.

Hmmm...

 

[Dash8don]

Any word on when the results of the pay arbitration are announced? I heard both sides met with the arbitrator last week.

 

[labbats]

1000 PIC? Where can you go that's hiring now? Is that 1000 PIC competitive when you're up against hundreds of RJ captains with 5 times that? Chasing a quick upgrade is futile. Find someplace with a base you can cope with and go from there. All regionals are stepping stones and this month's quick upgrade isn't always next month's.

 

[igneousy2]

1000 PIC? Where can you go that's hiring now? Is that 1000 PIC competitive when you're up against hundreds of RJ captains with 5 times that? Chasing a quick upgrade is futile. Find someplace with a base you can cope with and go from there. All regionals are stepping stones and this month's quick upgrade isn't always next month's.

How long it took today's Captains to upgrade has absolutely no baring on how long it will take a new hire to upgrade.

When I got on at American Eagle in 1999 upgrades were at 14 months in SJU or 18 months in JFK. I left long before but my class ended up getting upgraded but it would have taken 10 years had I stayed.

You've got to look at growth plans and likely attrition.

My personal prediction is that Horizon will end up being prety okay for a new hire FO. Alaska is unusal in that it REALLY wants to hire Horizon FO's. Once hiring starts at the majors again, especially AS. QX pilots will have the added benefit of losing Captains and FO's senior to them fairly quickly vs. the usual pattern of the draws coming from the Captain ranks.

QX is a small airline...couple of planes a couple of retirements and a couple of guys geting hired out makes a large difference.

Alaska hires a comparatively large portion of pilots they interview...they are planning to hire 300+ over the next 2 years...if 30% come from Horizon as planned, that would make a huge dent in the seniority list.

 

[tico]

150 in the next 3 years is more accurate....500 per decade is a good round number....if yoe believe otherwise you have been pre-oiled for the next contract snow job...not sure it could be worse than 09 but I did see a four-leaf-clover the other day......

 

[Fubijaakr]

tico,

If you're talking AS, the SEA BCP told my recurrent class last month 382 hires in the next 3 years.

Of course they once told us 2000 pilots by the year 2000, too.

 

[tico]

tico,

If you're talking AS, the SEA BCP told my recurrent class last month 382 hires in the next 3 years.

Of course they once told us 2000 pilots by the year 2000, too.

So lets see...Sea base chief pilot....not really a source..2000 by 2000....156 airplanes by 2010....face it bro..by the time we sign another contract, VA will be larger than AS....

 

[Fubijaakr]

Agreed. Just reinforcing your point.

As to VX (VA is Virgin Atlantic)...not if they keep losing money. LOL!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

awesome...and note that FUbi agreed with him.

Chasing the ever elusive "quick upgrade" will certainly bite 99% of the guys in the assh....

Mookie

That nitwit has been prancing around his parents "basement apartment", in stripper high heels and a g-string for quite awhile, too bad he is in reality a 17 year old male virgin with a real bad case of chacne and huge man tittyies that would make Carol Doda jealous, all the while pretending to be a ghey jhets gear monkey. The perfect irony would be if he really had a pilots certificate vs MS Flt sim and 086 computer....and worked at ghey jhets.....

 

[Herman]

NW Aviator:


“They say we are growing and going to add 2 more planes into the schedule in January.”
….and those are not 2 new planes, just planes we already have!


“I actually can see a large amount of growth if the company…”
You do know that the “G” word is not approved around QX…right? And just to clarify, we need to get about 20 new aircraft, before we can actually can call anything the forbidden word!!!

Ingenious:


“Alaska is unusal in that it REALLY wants to hire Horizon FO's.”
True…ask the 8 Fos that have already made the jump!


“Alaska hires a comparatively large portion of pilots they interview...they are planning to hire 300+ over the next 2 years...if 30% come from Horizon as planned, that would make a huge dent in the seniority list.”
30% of 300 equals to 90 pilots. QX has some 500 to 600 pilots (not sure), but not only is the 300 number optimistic but 90 pilots is still not a “huge dent”, especially if you spread them over a few years! If you have been waiting a long time for an upgrade, then 90 leaving some above some below your seniority…you won’t be moving a whole lot closer to an upgrade.

 

[igneousy2]

tico,

If you're talking AS, the SEA BCP told my recurrent class last month 382 hires in the next 3 years.

Of course they once told us 2000 pilots by the year 2000, too.

Didn't you get the update on the 2000x2000 hiring plan? I found out here on FI...it was changed to the 3000 by 3000 plan awhile ago!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Damn! How did I miss that?

 

[onewithwings]

My sources say Horizon is currently accepting resume's.

Here is what he sent:

POSITION INFORMATION
KEY RESPONSIBILITIES
- Pilot in command of an aircraft directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to the safe operation of that aircraft
- Understanding of and compliance with the FAR?s at all times
- Coordinate tasks to permit flight fueling, loading, passenger handling, etc. and associated duties to convey passengers in a safe manner in accordance with company policies, and procedures, FOM, FAR?s, CRF?s, etc.
- Pilots are team members both in the cockpit (CRM), and with other operational departments
- Pilots are expected to present a professional image at all times, including grooming standards and demeanor, as a key representative of the company to both external customers and internal employees

QUALIFICATIONS
- College degree from a four year accredited university preferred
- Must have and be able to maintain a valid passport allowing unrestricted travel to and from the U.S. required
- Must hold current First Class FAA Medical Certificate required
- FAA Commercial Pilot?s Certificate with multi-engine and instrument ratings required
- Minimum 750 hours of total flight time required
- Minimum 50 hours multi-engine required
- Minimum of 60 hours flown in last 6 months required
- Minimum 1,000 hours of total flight time preferred
- Minimum 100 hours of multi-engine preferred
- High school diploma or equivalent required
- Minimum age of 18 required
- Authorization to work in the U.S. required

 

[tico]

My sources say Horizon is currently accepting resume's.

Here is what he sent:

POSITION INFORMATION
KEY RESPONSIBILITIES
- Pilot in command of an aircraft directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to the safe operation of that aircraft
- Understanding of and compliance with the FAR?s at all times
- Coordinate tasks to permit flight fueling, loading, passenger handling, etc. and associated duties to convey passengers in a safe manner in accordance with company policies, and procedures, FOM, FAR?s, CRF?s, etc.
- Pilots are team members both in the cockpit (CRM), and with other operational departments
- Pilots are expected to present a professional image at all times, including grooming standards and demeanor, as a key representative of the company to both external customers and internal employees

QUALIFICATIONS
- College degree from a four year accredited university preferred
- Must have and be able to maintain a valid passport allowing unrestricted travel to and from the U.S. required
- Must hold current First Class FAA Medical Certificate required
- FAA Commercial Pilot?s Certificate with multi-engine and instrument ratings required
- Minimum 750 hours of total flight time required
- Minimum 50 hours multi-engine required
- Minimum of 60 hours flown in last 6 months required
- Minimum 1,000 hours of total flight time preferred
- Minimum 100 hours of multi-engine preferred
- High school diploma or equivalent required
- Minimum age of 18 required
- Authorization to work in the U.S. required

so why would someone with a 4 year degree and that flight time go to work at an airline in decline that offers a ten year upgrade in a stretched twin 172.....

 

[NWaviator]

Horizon hiring

Anyone that has interviewed or has a class date please PM me. Thanks.