Courtesy in the skies is gone, frequent fliers say

[waveflyer]

Yeah, I think hotel people get wrapped up in "pilots...!" and "crew" cue rolled eyes-- without giving thought to what we actually do for a living- might be a good idea for us to be treated well so we can rest... But that's just me

 

[bri5150]

Wow, funny how this thread turned. The last couple posts are exactly the same excuses the frequent fliers use.

 

[jonjuan]

Wow, funny how this thread turned. The last couple posts are exactly the same excuses the frequent fliers use.

No kidding. Do you know what I do for a living? lol

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

I hate it when a business traveler acts like a jerk to you when you are in uniform and are non-reving in the back. Mostly because he/she knows you can't defend yourself.

It's not that you can't defend yourself...it's that your company won't back you up.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Threads like this make me so glad to be flying abroad, gezz

 

[PBRstreetgang]

It's not that you can't defend yourself...it's that your company won't back you up.

Look 'em right in the eye, put your earplugs in and close your eyes, message is unmistakeable, and is also quite satisfying.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Threads like this make me so glad to be flying abroad, gezz

Luckily,
No one "abroad" has ever gotten on the plane reeking of curry,garlic, fresh cigarette smoke and 2 week old azz stench.......
PBR

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Luckily,
No one "abroad" has ever gotten on the plane reeking of curry,garlic, fresh cigarette smoke and 2 week old azz stench.......
PBR

As oppose to the great smell good'ol passengers here in the US climb on board with??? at least abroad their azz remains within the space of their seats

 

[Dan Roman]

As oppose to the great smell good'ol passengers here in the US climb on board with??? at least abroad their azz remains within the space of their seats

You got that right. When I hear Americans ridiculing some other countries people the term "look in the mirror" sure seems appropriate.

 

[rumrnr78]

Two words- Corporate Aviation...

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Two words- Corporate Aviation...

Excuse me? of my 30+ years in this paid hobby of ours, over half of it was in corporate aviation, some of the rudest people I have ever encountered were during those years, so much in fact that I came to the conclusion that never again!

 

[rumrnr78]

Excuse me? of my 30+ years in this paid hobby of ours, over half of it was in corporate aviation, some of the rudest people I have ever encountered were during those years, so much in fact that I came to the conclusion that never again!

I was addressing the original post about business travelers complaining about the conditions of travel. When I was flying corporate in the States it was treated like an office, the laptops were open, meetings conducted, etc. A true business tool something the tool in the whitehouse doesn't understand.

 

[waveflyer]

Rmmrnr-

Reagan would be ridiculed and kicked out of today's Murdoch/corporate owned GOP if he were around today.
You have credibility issues, but thanks for the political thread drift.

 

[rumrnr78]

Rmmrnr-

Reagan would be ridiculed and kicked out of today's Murdoch/corporate owned GOP if he were around today.
You have credibility issues, but thanks for the political thread drift.

No thread drift, just a closing sentence that is factual. I can't believe how you dems rally around someone so obviously in over his community organizing head.

My post's intent was to support corporate aviation something America excels at and should be supported not villified.

Good luck in the States your gonna need it...

Rum

 

[waveflyer]

Right. Well, I'm home. Paying taxes here. Working to make it better. Where are you? Keep your irrational politics off the majors section- you'll find a whole bunch of right wing extremists willing to jerk you off in non av chat.
Ive had stints in corporate av. At least half the time it's for pleasure- no one's confused by that. A good and necessary business tool- sometimes. The problem is when millionaire's use the tax loophole designed to give a break for the plane's business use and now extend it to their vacation in Tahiti. Closing loophole's isn't anti-business, it's pro-middle class.

 

[rumrnr78]

Right. Well, I'm home. Paying taxes here. Working to make it better. Where are you? Keep your irrational politics off the majors section- you'll find a whole bunch of right wing extremists willing to jerk you off in non av chat.
Ive had stints in corporate av. At least half the time it's for pleasure- no one's confused by that. A good and necessary business tool- sometimes. The problem is when millionaire's use the tax loophole designed to give a break for the plane's business use and now extend it to their vacation in Tahiti. Closing loophole's isn't anti-business, it's pro-middle class.

I still pay a nice chunk of property tax to the State of Texas while my home sits for sale. I do have to file my taxes every year to Uncle Sugar. Funny how my foreign mates don't have to report Foreign earned income to their home country. Didn't we have a revolution over taxes?

About the middle class- how many industries will benefit when I return to the States to pick up a new Gulfstream? Think of the money for training, hotel, rental car, etc. I am also gonna knock out an annual recurrent on the Challenger while I am there. Again, more hotels, rental cars, etc. I plan on flying on SWA (I think your a SWA pilot ) for several of the flights and the remainder on American. This equates to more money to the economy. Not to mention the money to the Hotel bar when I am done with all my training events.

Enjoy your 1,2,3 where ever you are.

Cheers-

Rum

P.S. Now we have thread drift!

 

[waveflyer]

You're productive and doing work- and I'll buy a full price drink for you any day.
What we were drifting about is your take that Obama is going after corporate aviation, when hes really just closing a loophole that was never intended.
Business jets ought to get a tax break when furthering the reach and productivity of businesses. That's good policy. Not so much for trips to Tahiti.
I am truly biased bc I went to school with legacy money- and tutored kids who had been on vacation their entire lives. Literally never had a job, until they graduated with their B- mediocrity and daddy could hook them up. I don't feel it is American to be born into privilege and live a vacation of a life without being productive. I think it's wrong. And please wake up to the fact there are countless thousands living that very life at the expense of the American middle class as we choose and vote for tax policies that separate the rich from the rest of us by ever increasing means. (ever catch one of those sweet 16 party reality shows?- that exists by the thousands.) entitlement is an issue. Im concerned by looters at all ends of the wealth spectrum. But the kid who wants a sandwich and a chance to break the poverty cycle is a hell of a lot more important to me than the rich kid who fully expects a BMW and fake boobs as graduation gifts.
The rich get richer.
I'm sure rich people on vacation does create certain jobs- but how great would the economy be if everyone lived that unproductively?
Money is two things. Scarce resources and sweat equity. I don't argue for the folks who don't work, OR REWARD THEMSELVES IN EXCESS OF THE WORK THEY PERFORMED.
Rant over, back to the bar.
CC and coke, double tall, and make it two- for my friend living overseas.

 

[Dan Roman]

Well I sure as hell don't want to pay higher taxes while somebody is getting a tax write off for using a corporate jet or Hedge Fund manager who makes millions get's any tax breaks. That said, I don't want my airline getting taxed any more as that does have an effect on me. That's the dilemma.

One thing about Reagan's trickle down economics. It doesn't work when left unchecked by the Government. Todays CEO's, whose compensation has risen at an unprecedented rate and is way under taxed, are not job creators, they have gotten those bonus's more often than not by slashing jobs and sending them overseas or just by slashing jobs period.
Since 1970 Median executive pay has risen 430%. Our corporate profits have grown over 250 percent. The average wages of the American worker has risen just 26%. That is very wrong.

 

[CrewDawg]

Back on topic.

The worst is the fat people who expect you to lift up arm rest! Sorry buddy...ain't gonna happen! If you're so big that you require the arm rest up or and belt extender, you're most likely making some other passengers ride uncomfortable!

Had a huge dude sit down next me one time, so big that I literally had the use of about 3/4 of my seat. I had a cramp before we even took off! Dude ran out of breath trying to stand up out of his seat. Then tons o' fun, pulls out a bag of Doritos (full size bag), and eats the whole thing! On top of that he obviously was never taught to chew with his mouth closed....worst 4.5 hours, in a plane, of my life.

Another thing I hate is the people who walk back the isle and make no attempt to not hit anyone.

 

[Hamburger]

You're productive and doing work- and I'll buy a full price drink for you any day.
What we were drifting about is your take that Obama is going after corporate aviation, when hes really just closing a loophole that was never intended.
Business jets ought to get a tax break when furthering the reach and productivity of businesses. That's good policy. Not so much for trips to Tahiti.

Isn't it funny how the Anti-socialist, pure Capitalist crowd gets their panties in a wad when someone says the taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing their business? All the subsidized corporate jets in Aspen are there for legitimate, productive, business purposes, eh?

 

[jonjuan]

IAll the subsidized corporate jets in Aspen are there for legitimate, productive, business purposes, eh?

You do realize that 99% of those biz jet in ASE aren't depreciating their jet or deducting the cost of the trip, don't you? Please tell me you actually know this and aren't simply relaying the liberal dems feel good talking points. We want to hear your expertise. Please.

 

[Dan Roman]

You do realize that 99% of those biz jet in ASE aren't depreciating their jet or deducting the cost of the trip, don't you? Please tell me you actually know this and aren't simply relaying the liberal dems feel good talking points. We want to hear your expertise. Please.

Just curious, were do you get the 99% figure?

 

[jonjuan]

Just curious, were do you get the 99% figure?

A number of friends who structure corporate llcs for flight departments and individual aircraft owners. They all tell me that not a single client deducts any trip that could even be possibly considered as personal in nature. In fact, all I have heard from them is that most aircraft operators won't even touch any sort of asset depreciation as they know they will be crucified unless it's absolutely obvious that the usage is 100% business related. No one wants to be the guinea pig and lose the aircraft. They also say tight records are kept with pax, locations, businesses visited, etc.
From what they tell me, they could do away with aircraft depreciation or extend depreciation schedules and flying wouldn't fall off much. Any "losses" from lack of write offs would simply be passed along to consumers. Revenues generated by the government would be negligible.

 

[Hamburger]

Yeah, they are given tax breaks and DON'T take them... Then they make a big stink about losing the tax breaks that they don't bother to take in the first place.................