Taking the high road - SWATRAN debate

[elcid]

Originally Posted by Kharma Police
If you or the others were sitting in Gary Kelly's office, would you think he would be happy or embarrassed with your posts about us?

Debating on here is like wrestling a pig. You just get dirty, and besides the pig likes it.

Neither side benefits from any of this FI banter. Neither side is convincing the other side to reconsider their stance. SWA pilots, just let SWA and SWAPA handle this with dignity. I have to agree with Kharma's hypothetical post. I'm a little ashamed to read some of the crap on here.

Airtran guys, best of luck to you, sincerely. The only difference between your posts and the SWA pilots is that yours may actually inflict harm on the AT pilot group, where as ours just make us look bad. Do not even for one second think that SWA isn't aware of how you feel. And consider Kharma's wisdom in the above quote. What do you think Gary thinks of your attitude about all of this? How will it shape his actions going forward?

Why don't we all just step away from the public debate? To my SWA brothers, please, step away. What would change if no one discussed this on FI/public forums? Nothing except for sparing the dignity of both sides.

Thanks.

ElCid

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Well said elcid!

 

[On Your Six]

Airtran guys, just take it to arbitration and teach these guys a lesson. The arbitrators will decide what is fair, after looking at facts and hearing testimony. If these corndog FI guys were the lawyers for SWAPA, they would be laughed out of the hearing. Just get arbitration, allow it to be fair, and move on. GK wants this merger, and this will be the most fair route. Godspeed!


OYS

 

[slaquer5]

Debating on here is like wrestling a pig. You just get dirty, and besides the pig likes it.

Neither side benefits from any of this FI banter. Neither side is convincing the other side to reconsider their stance. SWA pilots, just let SWA and SWAPA handle this with dignity. I have to agree with Kharma's hypothetical post. I'm a little ashamed to read some of the crap on here.

Airtran guys, best of luck to you, sincerely. The only difference between your posts and the SWA pilots is that yours may actually inflict harm on the AT pilot group, where as ours just make us look bad. Do not even for one second think that SWA isn't aware of how you feel. And consider Kharma's wisdom in the above quote. What do you think Gary thinks of your attitude about all of this? How will it shape his actions going forward?

Why don't we all just step away from the public debate? To my SWA brothers, please, step away. What would change if no one discussed this on FI/public forums? Nothing except for sparing the dignity of both sides.

Thanks.

ElCid

Please dont use karma as a good example. His true colors are all about himself and would stab his own brothers in the back if it help him out

Tell me, when you were a hungry 23 year old in 1989, were you tempted to cross the line at LeJeune Road to the EAL training center? I heard there are (were) a few at SWA.

He can help serve the doughnuts

 

[elcid]

And now... back to our regularly scheduled program of useless banter that has been said over one million times, accomplishing absolutely nothing...

compliments of OYS

 

[Fubijaakr]

Again, if the arb is fair here's the easy SLI:

1. No bump, no flush
2. All Pre-Oct 1993 SWA pilots on the list.
3. Ratio the rest.

End of story.

 

[Kharma Police]

I agree, I'm checking out and going to Jackie Treehorn's place on the beach humming Henry Macini's, "Lujon".

Hello Dude, I'm Jackie Treehorn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LvxkaGnNdY

 

[Ty Webb]

"Jackie Treehorn treats Objects like Women".

 

[scoreboardII]

Again, if the arb is fair here's the easy SLI:

1. No bump, no flush
2. All Pre-Oct 1993 SWA pilots on the list.
3. Ratio the rest.

End of story.

In fantasyland maybe...

 

[Empennage]

Debating on here is like wrestling a pig. You just get dirty, and besides the pig likes it.

Neither side benefits from any of this FI banter. Neither side is convincing the other side to reconsider their stance. SWA pilots, just let SWA and SWAPA handle this with dignity. I have to agree with Kharma's hypothetical post. I'm a little ashamed to read some of the crap on here.

Airtran guys, best of luck to you, sincerely. The only difference between your posts and the SWA pilots is that yours may actually inflict harm on the AT pilot group, where as ours just make us look bad. Do not even for one second think that SWA isn't aware of how you feel. And consider Kharma's wisdom in the above quote. What do you think Gary thinks of your attitude about all of this? How will it shape his actions going forward?

Why don't we all just step away from the public debate? To my SWA brothers, please, step away. What would change if no one discussed this on FI/public forums? Nothing except for sparing the dignity of both sides.

Thanks.

ElCid

duly noted ... well stated

 

[CaptWidgeon]

He can help serve the doughnuts

is this the same(our) guy?
uke:

 

[terrehautesux]

Debating on here is like wrestling a pig. You just get dirty, and besides the pig likes it.

Neither side benefits from any of this FI banter. Neither side is convincing the other side to reconsider their stance. SWA pilots, just let SWA and SWAPA handle this with dignity. I have to agree with Kharma's hypothetical post. I'm a little ashamed to read some of the crap on here.

Airtran guys, best of luck to you, sincerely. The only difference between your posts and the SWA pilots is that yours may actually inflict harm on the AT pilot group, where as ours just make us look bad. Do not even for one second think that SWA isn't aware of how you feel. And consider Kharma's wisdom in the above quote. What do you think Gary thinks of your attitude about all of this? How will it shape his actions going forward?

Why don't we all just step away from the public debate? To my SWA brothers, please, step away. What would change if no one discussed this on FI/public forums? Nothing except for sparing the dignity of both sides.

Thanks.

ElCid

I'm an Airtran guy and that's why I don't post. I wish my AT boys would just shut up, buy not likely.

 

[RobZerbe]

Thanks for starting this thread.

 

[shagadelic]

ROB! Welcome! If this is really you.... details!!! NOW!!

 

[GlobeIII]

Nice Elcid

I have wanted to post many times in the last couple of months, but have stopped myself for many of the reasons you mentioned here. I am thankful for the quiet confidence of our SWAPA Negotiating Team.
I haven't stopped coming here though because once you put On Your Six and General Lee on your ignore list, you are left with opinions (good or bad) of your current and future co-workers. It had been interesting to listen to, and by reading posts from the same individuals over time, you realize there is room for debate and compromise.
Fingers crossed for the rest of the week

 

[ILUVURBANMYERS]

FI is for entertainment value only. If ya really add up the number of guys with a dog in the fight that post, it comes out to a max of 30 or so. Forums always attract the radicals. On the pprune nearly everyone hated the last contract and it passed 80%+.
Once we do get an SLI out to the membership to vote my guess is the usual players will screw themselves into the ceiling with the pot stirring guys going nuts.
THEN the normal come to work to a good job and go home crowd will vote it in. Then we can get on with the business at hand putting the hammer to ATL.

 

[carl p]

Great thread.

 

[DougCorp-9]

I knew there were cooler heads around here. Hopefully something can get hashed out here in the next couple of weeks and we can start the process of kicking ass in the airline industry.

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey Trannies the news just keep getting better!!

Fee-Waived Travel on AirTran Begins Monday, July 18

Check your memos on swalife.com

I'm sorry if this is bad news for some of you, this is great news, at least for me.

:cartman:

 

[CatfishVT9]

Well, Elcid had the high road for a whole 18 minutes. Then the pig showed up. I think most of us appreciate the effort though.

 

[elcid]

Catfish,

I'm not making excuses, but swafo was an abused child and probably didn't mean it the way it came across... I hope. Okay, I don't know him actually. Either way, there's always going to be a pot stirrer on an anonymous forum. For everyone's sake I think we are better off not stirring the pot though. Pour a glass of scotch, listen to some tunes and chill (kick the dog, whatever). It'll all be over soon and we can tell our FOs about it years from now when its all ancient history.

 

[redflyer65]

Thought he was talking about OYS jumping in the fray(at 18 minutes). SWFO is just abused by his wife, just entertainment here for him.

RF

 

[elcid]

Good point. See, I told you he didn't mean it that way!

 

[SWA/FO]

So you guys think streamlined Non-Rev travel on Air Tran and Southwest is bad news? Example: You are a Tranny with a Family you will be able to list and non-rev on Southwest. Or Second example: You are a Southwest employee with Family and want to non-rev on Air Tran = NOW YOU CAN!

Sorry you guys are looking for some hidden message here. There isn't one.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

First off, not many "trannies" have families , many FL pilots do though. Second, you guys are already seeing immediate benefits with the carribean and mexico, what do we get, austin, el paso, and brownsville?

 

[SWA/FO]

and brownsville?

Not Brownville.... You get tons more options for getting places. Exciting news!!

 

[ATLplt]

Luv beat me to it...

Don't forget Harlingen. Simply gorgeous this time of year.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

It is good news for those that live in each other's cities and mutual jump seaters. Hopefully if you are pass riding you'll still stop up front and say hi. Don't get used to the bidness class though.

 

[texman]

First off, not many "trannies" have families , many FL pilots do though. Second, you guys are already seeing immediate benefits with the carribean and mexico, what do we get, austin, el paso, and brownsville?

How about you appreciate the job security you just inherited, this is an immediate benefit right off the bat. GK Stated that AT's Caribbean frequency is weak and is going to get a boost because of our route structure and passengers. Don't knock our cities, and it is Hrl not Bro dumb azzz. I am sure you will luv the Europe and Latin America that mainline SWA will bring to you too!

Don't be an idiot plz!

 

[dragontamer]

First off, not many "trannies" have families , many FL pilots do though. Second, you guys are already seeing immediate benefits with the carribean and mexico, what do we get, austin, el paso, and brownsville?

Amazing. The best domestic route system in the country and the easiest to non-rev on. Nothing but bitchin! Cultural poison.