UCon contract?

[COpilot]

I'm CO '87 hire, 30%; I know of no one north of that percentage who will agree to any scope relaxation.

The individual pilots I know at UA are '88 - '92ish hires, none of them have said anything about giving in on scope.

Regardless of what the union says about negotiating on public forums; I will stand by this, and make clear my vote (No Give in Scope) everyday in public!

 

[michael707767]

The problem with your reasoning is that the negotiating committee and the MEC will not put out a TA that loosens scope. I'm telling you, it's NOT going to happen.

Lee Moak is the ALPA national chairman. Never underestimate how much he will lean on MECs to accept scope concessions. He has never seen a scope concession he didn't like.

 

[Jetjockey]

They will lose scope for sure.....I don't like it (even as a regional pilot) but they will lose it. Look at who's voting, a bunch of guys who are going to retire in the next 10 years and thats probably the largest block. Its noble to think that everyones on the same page but in the end, it's one pilot in his/her home checking off an X mark next to either money or convictions.

Like you even have a clue of the combined demographics of the airline. PBR heard in a security line..............sack of crap flamebait.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

This is gonna be interesting. Talked to a couple of UAL guys in the security line, word is to get DAL type contract they will have to give up 90 seaters......... and these guys thought it was OK.
Amazing!
PBR

TOTAL LIE!!! This was not said by UAL guys. You either givem to us and the f'ing 70s or we shut your a$$ down in due time.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

they will lose scope for sure.....i don't like it (even as a regional pilot) but they will lose it. Look at who's voting, a bunch of guys who are going to retire in the next 10 years and thats probably the largest block. Its noble to think that everyones on the same page but in the end, it's one pilot in his/her home checking off an x mark next to either money or convictions.

another idiot post...absolutely not true!!

 

[Mr Hat]

Yeah....another idiot post. Look at the facts my friends....ALL the other ALPA airlines have fallen on this issue....ALL of them. CAL gets a major nod for staving it off as long as they have but I assure you, scope will cave. If anyone really cared about the issue they would capture ALL jet flying and be done with it. Scope is like a no frills band aid that keeps falling off. Fix the real issue of outsourcing. As long as your wasting time and effort on a band aid instead of solving the real problem, you're destined for failure.
Your gonna shut em down....Please....you gonna bark all day little doggie or are you gonna bite? And if your gonna bite are you going to waste it on scope? Capture all jet flying and do it right.

 

[sniper]

Lee Moak is the ALPA national chairman. Never underestimate how much he will lean on MECs to accept scope concessions. He has never seen a scope concession he didn't like.

Lee has nothing to do with individual MECs decisions.
Just like Pratter did not when DAL had their deals.

facts are facts

 

[GuppyWN]

If anyone really cared about the issue they would capture ALL jet flying and be done with it.

Why stop at the jets?

Gup

 

[Flopgut]

PBR: That was two guys talking out their butts. 90 seat airplanes aren't even in the discussion because the company is still not completely in the clear on 70 seaters. The new UAL contract will have excellent scope. We will most likely have to strike to get it, but we will....

 

[airgator]

Does anyone actually think that any president would let UAL, DAL or AA actually strike? Please. Republican or democrat, it won't happen. Sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[Mr Hat]

Why stop at the jets?

Gup

Exactly!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Does anyone actually think that any president would let UAL, DAL or AA actually strike? Please. Republican or democrat, it won't happen. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Slow downs and sick outs are better than strikes. After six months ore more shareholders start kicking out management.

 

[Flopgut]

Does anyone actually think that any president would let UAL, DAL or AA actually strike? Please. Republican or democrat, it won't happen. Sucks, but it is what it is.

I do think we'll get released and I'm looking forward to it. It's our right under federal law. The tipping point in the equation is the extent to which UAL mgt is negotiating in bad faith. Jeff is on the fast track to getting banned from this industry just like his fellow Harvard predecessor Frank...

 

[Mr.B]

The problem with your reasoning is that the negotiating committee and the MEC will not put out a TA that loosens scope. I'm telling you, it's NOT going to happen.

I tend to agree with you. HOWEVER....nothing surprises me anymore. UAL, ALPA, senior halves of the lists....greed knows no bounds.

Me and 1436 fellow pilots? One thing I am sure of is we want a fight! Just let the process run it's course within the framework of the RLA and one day we may get our wish!

 

[eaglesview]

I haven't talked to one person yet that would be willing to take that....sounds like flame to me

It absolutly is. Some idiot "talks to a couple of guys in the security line," (wink wink) and then assumes this is how 7.200 UA pilots think.