UCon contract?

[Mr Hat]

Yeah....another idiot post. Look at the facts my friends....ALL the other ALPA airlines have fallen on this issue....ALL of them. CAL gets a major nod for staving it off as long as they have but I assure you, scope will cave. If anyone really cared about the issue they would capture ALL jet flying and be done with it. Scope is like a no frills band aid that keeps falling off. Fix the real issue of outsourcing. As long as your wasting time and effort on a band aid instead of solving the real problem, you're destined for failure.
Your gonna shut em down....Please....you gonna bark all day little doggie or are you gonna bite? And if your gonna bite are you going to waste it on scope? Capture all jet flying and do it right.

 

[sniper]

Lee Moak is the ALPA national chairman. Never underestimate how much he will lean on MECs to accept scope concessions. He has never seen a scope concession he didn't like.

Lee has nothing to do with individual MECs decisions.
Just like Pratter did not when DAL had their deals.

facts are facts

 

[GuppyWN]

If anyone really cared about the issue they would capture ALL jet flying and be done with it.

Why stop at the jets?

Gup

 

[Flopgut]

PBR: That was two guys talking out their butts. 90 seat airplanes aren't even in the discussion because the company is still not completely in the clear on 70 seaters. The new UAL contract will have excellent scope. We will most likely have to strike to get it, but we will....

 

[airgator]

Does anyone actually think that any president would let UAL, DAL or AA actually strike? Please. Republican or democrat, it won't happen. Sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[Mr Hat]

Why stop at the jets?

Gup

Exactly!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Does anyone actually think that any president would let UAL, DAL or AA actually strike? Please. Republican or democrat, it won't happen. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Slow downs and sick outs are better than strikes. After six months ore more shareholders start kicking out management.

 

[Flopgut]

Does anyone actually think that any president would let UAL, DAL or AA actually strike? Please. Republican or democrat, it won't happen. Sucks, but it is what it is.

I do think we'll get released and I'm looking forward to it. It's our right under federal law. The tipping point in the equation is the extent to which UAL mgt is negotiating in bad faith. Jeff is on the fast track to getting banned from this industry just like his fellow Harvard predecessor Frank...

 

[Mr.B]

The problem with your reasoning is that the negotiating committee and the MEC will not put out a TA that loosens scope. I'm telling you, it's NOT going to happen.

I tend to agree with you. HOWEVER....nothing surprises me anymore. UAL, ALPA, senior halves of the lists....greed knows no bounds.

Me and 1436 fellow pilots? One thing I am sure of is we want a fight! Just let the process run it's course within the framework of the RLA and one day we may get our wish!

 

[eaglesview]

I haven't talked to one person yet that would be willing to take that....sounds like flame to me

It absolutly is. Some idiot "talks to a couple of guys in the security line," (wink wink) and then assumes this is how 7.200 UA pilots think.

 

[Jetjockey]

Does anyone actually think that any president would let UAL, DAL or AA actually strike? Please. Republican or democrat, it won't happen. Sucks, but it is what it is.

a PEB only delays a strike does not prevent it. It gives the sides another 30 days to continue negotiations. Now if Republicans get their way one day, Unions, contracts and organized labor will be illegal, and corporations will rule the day. Until that day, although severely hamstrung by the labor railway act, we can still use "self-help".

 

[Flopgut]

I just got an individual brief from my [CAL] rep (ran into him at Starbucks). The arbitrator in the scope arbitration is not done with Jeff. The mediator has started warning him as well. Jeff's counter offer on section 25 was well below what the mediator set as a minimum.

 

[Skyflyin]

Obviously, Jeff doesn't think we have the balls to strike. I can't wait to prove him wrong. When we do, I hope the BOD shows him the door.

 

[mamba20]

If ALPO screws us this time. . . . then they are off the property.

 

[mamba20]

Obviously, Jeff doesn't think we have the balls to strike. I can't wait to prove him wrong. When we do, I hope the BOD shows him the door.

It has nothing to do with Jeff. Even if we vote for it, Obama will NEVER let us strike. A work slow down would be far more effective anyways.

 

[EngineOut]

This is gonna be interesting. Talked to a couple of UAL guys in the security line, word is to get DAL type contract they will have to give up 90 seaters......... and these guys thought it was OK.
Amazing!
PBR

I've heard this from 3 different UAL Captains as well (in my jump and me in theirs). Except they were saying 90-100 seats. That was pretty early on in the merger, however. Not bait, just relaying my discussions. My impressions are that the UAL mid to senior pilots are just fed up and want to recoup as much cash as possible before retirement and generally don't care.

The Continental guys I've spoken with all seem pretty unified across the board. They aren't budging. Good for you.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Well if they aren't unified at the top I got two words for them...Aer Lingus. Need I say more. The whole gang is waking up to J-Lo and we will be taking him to task unless they give us the contract we deserve...period.

 

[whatitdoing?]

I haven't talked to one person yet that would be willing to take that....sounds like flame to me

I've talked to quite a few United pilots and NONE have said anything about giving up scope. In fact, most said no f****** way or Flibs can kiss my a**. I'm sure everyone knows the consequence of relaxing scope. It would affect the most senior to the most junior pilot. There's no way.