How many got hired and quit at Pinnacolaba in the past week?

[Flyer1015]

Why? Do they have another sabotage up their sleeves?

Ha! You guys stay classy! He's referring to the closing date of 9E's latest vacancy. So someone got a whiff that Pinnacle has a vacancy for 15 CA RJ upgrades. (GASP! You know, something XJ hasn't seen in years). And then certain XJ guys decided that it's the 9E merger committee's goal to delay the award until June 10th because by then, the vacancy closes. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the whole delay is because of XJs dispute in the first place. The whole DOH on sim date versus class date.

And before anyone at XJ or 9L gets super excited, I'd hold onto it for a while. Methinks that everyone will not be allowed to cross-jump the moment the ISL comes out. There is just far too much to integrate and instant movement would be impossible due to training constraints. I believe 9E already mentioned having operational fences to keep movement in-house until ready. My educated guess would be 6 months, probably January 1 2012 before we can jump across to others.

 

[bri5150]

Ha! You guys stay classy! ... (GASP! You know, something XJ hasn't seen in years).

Yeah, that statement there exudes class. Good work. Man, I sure missed you while you were banned.

Oh, and btw we just had upgrade classes a couple months ago.

 

[mesaba13]

This was never XJ dispute. It was was Bloch who questined the 9e List.

 

[bri5150]

In fact, the whole delay is because of XJs dispute in the first place.

That's like saying WWII wasn't Hitler's fault. It was the Allie's fault because they disputed his actions.

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh, and btw we just had upgrade classes a couple months ago.

You mean an upgrade class for a fleet type slated to be gone in less than 19 months? At a base slated to close up shop once US Airways exchanges slots with Delta? On a plane that's headed to the desert, with no aircraft service agreement? Right, that upgrade.

That's like saying WWII wasn't Hitler's fault. It was the Allie's fault because they disputed his actions.

Completely irrelevant and no analogy. Mesaba noted the DOH data point change, and mentioned that 9E got a 6 week advantage on average, and that it would disadvantage the XJ and 9L pilots, and that the XJ merger committee does not agree with this change. So there. Feel free to ask your merger comittee. The small, clerical errors were fixed at 9E from the AM list to the PM list. After that, it was the standing dispute of DOH from sim date to class date. The PM list Bloch has is the accurate 9E list, with the proper DOH as class date.

 

[bri5150]

You mean an upgrade class for a fleet type slated to be gone in less than 19 months? At a base slated to close up shop once US Airways exchanges slots with Delta? On a plane that's headed to the desert, with no aircraft service agreement? Right, that upgrade.

Oh, you were talking about your vacancy that was created because we got you a better contract that needed better staffing? We can go round and round...

There was certainly more to the list discrepincies than adjusting your DOH. I am beginning to agree with XJHawk. Let's just use your original DOH. I am tired of trying to be fair and then just ripped on saying my company was going to shut down and we should be stapled. Especially now that Phil has been replaced, this company is going to have a WAAAAY larger Mesaba presence than Pinnacle. I couldn't be more happy about that.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Feel free to ask your merger comittee.

It seems kind of silly to dance around the subject when anyone can just get off flight info, pick up a phone, and find out what nonsense is going on with the list. Maybe it would help you if one of us just gave you an XJ rep to talk to, straighten some of this out?

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh, you were talking about your vacancy that was created because we got you a better contract that needed better staffing? We can go round and round...

Tired of this dumb argument. 9E was hiring and upgrading before this JCBA gave into effect. Even under the old contract, we needed to tremendously increase our staffing, and were underway. The hiring/upgrading is happening regardless of the JCBA passing. We were so short before, we still haven't caught up. Even under the old contract. No valid argument you bring by mentioning the above.

There was certainly more to the list discrepincies than adjusting your DOH. I am beginning to agree with XJHawk. Let's just use your original DOH. I am tired of trying to be fair and then just ripped on saying my company was going to shut down and we should be stapled. Especially now that Phil has been replaced, this company is going to have a WAAAAY larger Mesaba presence than Pinnacle. I couldn't be more happy about that.

Way larger Mesaba presence? I mean, if you count the Saabs in the sand, though you may not want to stand there too long! 60 RJs is hardly "waaay bigger presence" compared to almost 140 RJs. You don't have to hide your true colors, it's ok, you can openly admit you want 9E guys screwed by using their sim dates, so you XJ and 9L guys get a 2 month advantage on average. We can all scream unity, but the bottom honest truth is that every group cares only about their own outcome, and whatever it takes to come out at top. You, xjhawk, and many, many others who want 9E to get sim DOH is not surprising.

 

[bri5150]

Way larger Mesaba presence? I mean, if you count the Saabs in the sand, though you may not want to stand there too long! 60 RJs is hardly "waaay bigger presence" compared to almost 140 RJs.

Are airlines made up completely of airplanes? Or are they made of management, union leaders, maintanence, training centers, chief pilots, contracts, and overall pilot attitude? Every single argument you make comes down to "you are losing the Saabs and that's all that matters". What's up with that?

 

[Flyer1015]

Are airlines made up completely of airplanes? Or are they made of management, union leaders, maintanence, training centers, chief pilots, contracts, and overall pilot attitude? Every single argument you make comes down to "you are losing the Saabs and that's all that matters". What's up with that?

Because that's what the arbitrator will look at. Not the management, not the union leader, maintenance, training centers, chief pilots, contracts, or attitude. It boils down to career expectation as the main measuring stick for recent SLIs. I expect this one to be no different. And if you really are all about "Mesaba" I fully expect you to step from the RJ to the props to stick with "Mesaba" and not come to the Pinnacle side. But somehow, I think most will just swallow it and come over. Guys like Seven who will openly badmouth Pinnacle as being a crappy, unsafe carrier, and how Mesaba is ten folds ahead and safer. Well, will you keep to your word and promptly step over to the props to stay Mesaba, or be hypocritical and come to Pinnacle with the jets. Decisions, decisions!