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Maybe 2013 if the economy does actually pick up. As to how many will come back, I think it depends on how quickly the majors end up hiring. My guess is that as many as possible will try the airline thing and that quite a few who weren't furloughed will also. That said, my guestimate is under 50 percent unless the majors lose 100 seat scope to the regionals. I would sure love to see Continited be able to shove the 70 seaters back out of the tent, but realistically I think the majors in general will be lucky to keep even the current lid on 70 seaters. If they can, there should be a lot of descent or better jobs out there that the 495 can choose from.
How is it that citation is recalling in big numbers and yet they aren't taking delivery of new ac? Also, will new planes be replacement for current planes, i.e. wont most of the buyers of the new planes be current owners who simply do a swap?
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Why are the other fracs recalling? The other fractionals haven't been having a fire sale on there fleets. NJA got rid of somewhere around 40 airframes last year and is on pace to get rid of that many or more this year. Until more airframes come in there is no reason to bring pilots back with so many airplanes out the door. We are definitely working really hard when on the road, but somehow management thinks we are still fat on pilots.
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Attrition maybe?
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No attrition. Stagnant movement in seniority numbers. CA has acquired a few airframes which has already been stated as the only reason to recall.
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. Didn't realize that. Also looking at the lower fees the other fracs charge relative to nj, they are probably grabbing more marketshare.
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Yeah. Before the furloughs, I think we may have been over 6 pilots per plane as they continued to hire ... but never took delivery of the planes the pilots were hired to fly.
So in a way, NJ already recalled pilots as they never furloughed to below 4 pilots per plane (never below 5) as I believe Flex and CA were at 3.8 to 3.9 per plane at one point.
Options Management was Prescient. They reduced the size of the Fleet and of the pilot force from near 1000 to around 400 BEFORE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS! Positioning themselves perfectly to weather the hard times.
NJ on the other hand had too many pilots, employees, airplanes (on the property and on order), a $200 million school house about to break ground... Talk about caught with your pants down.
So in a way, NJ already recalled pilots as they never furloughed to below 4 pilots per plane (never below 5) as I believe Flex and CA were at 3.8 to 3.9 per plane at one point.
Options Management was Prescient. They reduced the size of the Fleet and of the pilot force from near 1000 to around 400 BEFORE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS! Positioning themselves perfectly to weather the hard times.
NJ on the other hand had too many pilots, employees, airplanes (on the property and on order), a $200 million school house about to break ground... Talk about caught with your pants down.
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Well GF, I suppose you could be right about the prescience. but as one who lived through the process, I credit the massive layoffs more to the bitter 5 year contract battle. We still had the airframes (in mothballs at our MX bases or being cannibalized for parts) but our owners were leaving in droves so we didn't need pilots to fly them. Eventually Options management won the battle (my own opinion), but it cost both sides dearly.
I am sure there are differing opinions concerning the outcome of our contract battle, and I respect those opinions, but it's difficult to look at our payscale, benefits, schedule, and darn near everything but the crew meal plan and call our CBA anything but an overwhelming victory for FO management.
I am sure there are differing opinions concerning the outcome of our contract battle, and I respect those opinions, but it's difficult to look at our payscale, benefits, schedule, and darn near everything but the crew meal plan and call our CBA anything but an overwhelming victory for FO management.
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Re...bwaha..recalls at Net...bwahahaha...recalls at Netjets? Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Thanks man. Needed the laugh.
P.S. I'm not laughing at the 495. Anything but. I'm laughing at the notion that they will be recalled in the next five years. And amused by the notion that many of them would want to come back.
Thanks man. Needed the laugh.
P.S. I'm not laughing at the 495. Anything but. I'm laughing at the notion that they will be recalled in the next five years. And amused by the notion that many of them would want to come back.
Please do....I can use a break. They're beating us with whips out there!
Its worst than 2007! I'm thinking recalls are coming sooner than later.
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