SkyWest Pilots cancel IAH-DFW for scope viloation!

[BobbyBiplane]

Good for this pilot, looks like he isn't delirious on the company kool-aid.

IMO this pilot isn't punished..

Scenario #1- Pilot is talked to but nothing punitive happens to him. Skywest management saves face among pilots maintaining their good image. In reality this is a calculated move on management's part to keep the lemming pilots happy and a union out. A union would cost them much more then a canceled flight.

Scenario #2- Pilot gets fired/suspended. Skywest pilots realize that maybe management isn't so friendly...Start to wonder how/why SkyW Inc can be out buying airlines, investing in airlines while their pilots fly increasingly large aircraft for roughly the same pay. Pilot mutiny brings a union on board and SKWY ends up having to negotiate a real contract that could cost them millions.....

F'n idiots. I hope they fire him/her/them. What part of operational control do you not understand.

This is a contractual issue, not a personal isssue, (much less an RLA issue).

Idiots like this should be fired (plus anyone supporting these stupid actions).

Please read the RLA and associated actions ... these actions are clearly not in conformity.

Bob

 

[10nCLR]

Just curious.
How do all of you know for certain that this crews actions were about making a statement? Maybe there were a few misunderstandings that early morning and they just needed some clarifications from a few people before they proceeded on their full day of flying in the IAH system........ or maybe they just wanted to be FI celebrities for the day. Who knows. So, does anybody know if they actually continued their flying for the day? I bet they did. Well anyway, I'm just going to stay out of this touchy subject and let everybody else put the FI spin on it. Carry on-

-TFAYD

 

[BID]

F'n idiots. I hope they fire him/her/them. What part of operational control do you not understand.

This is a contractual issue, not a personal isssue, (much less an RLA issue).

Idiots like this should be fired (plus anyone supporting these stupid actions).

Please read the RLA and associated actions ... these actions are clearly not in conformity.

Bob

That is a lot of people getting fired! I support them 100 percent, guess I should be fired as well? bummer dude.

Guys like yourself think you are so smart, well you are not. "Not in conformity" too funny.

SkyWest is a non-union airline. That flight was 100 percent in violation of an arbitration award. They choose not to violate the contract of another airline. These pilots understand what it is to stick together, and it's not even their fight ! They have been dragged into this by United and SkyWest management. Witnessing the hypocrisy of SkyWest management I blame them as well.

I love your logic, NOT.

anyway, thanks SkyWest DFW pilots and many others who support our cause.

 

[Jetjockey]

F'n idiots. I hope they fire him/her/them. What part of operational control do you not understand.

This is a contractual issue, not a personal isssue, (much less an RLA issue).

Idiots like this should be fired (plus anyone supporting these stupid actions).

Please read the RLA and associated actions ... these actions are clearly not in conformity.

Bob

Put a sock in it Bobby! Those guys are awesome!

 

[nimtz]

What part of operational control do you not understand.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Thanks man that line made my night! You are a slug in the system little boy and yet you concern yourself with 'operational control'. Can't hate on Uncle Jerry for the potency of the koolaid he serves to simple minded types like you!

 

[vtech]

I have spoken with their CP... and no punitive or diciplinary action will be taken on either of these two pilots.

Did their Chief Pilot also tell you that the Captain was in touch with him by telephone from the start of the situation? Did the Chief Pilot tell you he knew what was going on and was making phone calls to try and get the arbitration award complied with so the flight could launch but time passed and passengers were rebooked and the aircraft needed to get into position for the rest of the day so the the crew could complete their schedule? The crew did complete the rest of their schedule that day in the same aircraft.

The Captain did what he thought he needed to do. Management (Chief Pilot) supported the Captain's decision, right? No ramifications for the crew, right?

For the rest of you, Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[Nevets]

Did their Chief Pilot also tell you that the Captain was in touch with him by telephone from the start of the situation? Did the Chief Pilot tell you he knew what was going on and was making phone calls to try and get the arbitration award complied with so the flight could launch but time passed and passengers were rebooked and the aircraft needed to get into position for the rest of the day so the the crew could complete their schedule? The crew did complete the rest of their schedule that day in the same aircraft.

The Captain did what he thought he needed to do. Management (Chief Pilot) supported the Captain's decision, right? No ramifications for the crew, right?

For the rest of you, Nothing to see here. Move along.

I wonder if that captain would ever get a check airman, instructor, Cheif pilot, or other management position?

 

[vtech]

I wonder if that captain would ever get a check airman, instructor, Cheif pilot, or other management position?

There's a stretch. What part of "no punitive action" don't you understand?

Keep track. Let us know if the Captain involved seeks one of those positions and is not successful in getting it. We'll have something to talk about then, maybe.

 

[Nevets]

There's a stretch. What part of "no punitive action" don't you understand?

Keep track. Let us know if the Captain involved seeks one of those positions and is not successful in getting it. We'll have something to talk about then, maybe.

How would we know? Or are you saying that if he applies to any of those positions and doesn't get it, it automatically means it's punitive? How would we know if even though he is the most qualified that they dont pass him over and say he wasnt the most/best qualified? Assuming he even let's people know he applied to begin with.

 

[vtech]

I wonder if that captain would ever get a check airman, instructor, Cheif pilot, or other management position?

How would we know?

That's what I'm wondering. Are you going to keep track?

Or are you saying that if he applies to any of those positions and doesn't get it, it automatically means it's punitive?

That was most certainly the implication of your original question.

How would we know if even though he is the most qualified that they dont pass him over and say he wasnt the most/best qualified?

Whose to say what any applicants qualifications might be? Should we just assume he/she would be the most qualified of all applicants and his/her decision not to carry passengers on this flight cost him a future job? That's the implication of your initial question.

Assuming he even let's people know he applied to begin with.

You posed the initial question and now you seem to have a lot of questions about the question you posed.

Clearly, the implication of your initial question was that the Captain involved would suffer an adverse consequence at some point down the road if he/she wanted to be a check airman, Chief Pilot, or a member of management. Again, what part of "no punitive action" don't you understand?

Have a nice day.

 

[Nevets]

That's what I'm wondering. Are you going to keep track?



That was most certainly the implication of your original question.



Whose to say what any applicants qualifications might be? Should we just assume he/she would be the most qualified of all applicants and his/her decision not to carry passengers on this flight cost him a future job? That's the implication of your initial question.



You posed the initial question and now you seem to have a lot of questions about the question you posed.

Clearly, the implication of your initial question was that the Captain involved would suffer an adverse consequence at some point down the road if he/she wanted to be a check airman, Chief Pilot, or a member of management. Again, what part of "no punitive action" don't you understand?

Have a nice day.

So you don't think it's possible that they can say, "no punitive action" and not really mean it? You don't think it's possible for them to withhold his career advancement by not offering these opportunities even though they say, "no punitive action?" Keep in mind that a judge once had to order management to undo punitive action for one of it's employees. Do you think that it's not possible that others may have been unfairly terminated but didnt have the finances to mount their own legal defense?

 

[Erlanger]

I wonder if that captain would ever get a check airman, instructor, Cheif pilot, or other management position?

Based on your posts concerning this Captain, it's just killing you that nothing will happen to him because Skywest isn't a union and you want to say, "if only Skywest had ALPA this guy would have his job". So you're looking for anything to say that this crew didn't get off scott-free.

Maybe this pilot doesn't want to be a check airmen or instructor or in management. In 15 years at Skywest, I've seen pilots become check airmen where you wouldn't think they would because of something they did or even check airmen that had it taken away by the company or FAA and eventually got it back so STFU and just move along, butt out and worry about your own because you're not genuinely interested in the Skywest pilot.

 

[Baronman]

Based on your posts concerning this Captain, it's just killing you that nothing will happen to him because Skywest isn't a union and you want to say, "if only Skywest had ALPA this guy would have his job". So you're looking for anything to say that this crew didn't get off scott-free.

I'd say that SKywest management doesn't want to make a martyr out of this guy, triggering a movement that could ultimately cost them much more than one canceled flight. Allow me to let you in on a big secret, SKWY management loves the money you make for them....

 

[russtgol]

I'd say that SKywest management doesn't want to make a martyr out of this guy, triggering a movement that could ultimately cost them much more than one canceled flight. Allow me to let you in on a big secret, SKWY management loves the money you make for them....[/QUOTE]

Yea it must suck working for a stable company with money in the bank...If I'm not mistakin they get a bonus check soon too.

 

[Jetjockey]

Comair was stable at one time. Enjoy the "stability" while it lasts.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Comair was stable at one time. Enjoy the "stability" while it lasts.

What Killed comair was Delta owning them....

 

[russtgol]

Comair was stable at one time. Enjoy the "stability" while it lasts.

So was TWA,Pan Am and Eastern..Whats your point big fella?

 

[say again]

So was TWA,Pan Am and Eastern..Whats your point big fella?

I think his point is quite clear!!

 

[Nevets]

Based on your posts concerning this Captain, it's just killing you that nothing will happen to him because Skywest isn't a union and you want to say, "if only Skywest had ALPA this guy would have his job". So you're looking for anything to say that this crew didn't get off scott-free.

Maybe this pilot doesn't want to be a check airmen or instructor or in management. In 15 years at Skywest, I've seen pilots become check airmen where you wouldn't think they would because of something they did or even check airmen that had it taken away by the company or FAA and eventually got it back so STFU and just move along, butt out and worry about your own because you're not genuinely interested in the Skywest pilot.

No, my point is that we will never know. Of course they won't outwardly do anything to him. But if skywest was union you would have heard many more DD type situations because those people wouldnt have to pay for their legal defense. Maybe this pilot doesn't want to be check airman. But without a union you would never know if he was denied being one because of this.

And for the record, I NEVER said that I was genuinely interested in this skywest pilot so don't tell me to STFU because it doesn't make a difference what you say to me.

Yea it must suck working for a stable company with money in the bank...If I'm not mistakin they get a bonus check soon too.

Nope, it sure doesn't. Especially when you have union protection!

 

[Bako Cap]

Allow me to let you in on a big secret, SKWY management loves the money you make for them....

Maybe I missed something in Management 101, but don't ALL managements love the money their employees make for them? Last time I checked, no airline in the USA is set up as a non-profit.