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littlebigman said:
It is legal and there is nothing we can do about it. A great loss for all pilot group...
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Ummmmm, 50 seat scope was and has been legal since C97. Now if you are referring to 51+ seat scope, please enlighten us.
 
littlebigman said:
It is legal and there is nothing we can do about it. A great loss for all pilot group...
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Ok space ranger, whatever you say. Tell us again where you saw Elvis. Welcome to the forum NEWBIE!
 
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Funny how a 65 seat jet flying 500 miles is evil and bad, but not a 70 seat prop....
 
DontFeedTheBear said:
Joe,

Please go get a four year degree, clean up your background check and apply to a mainline carrier. You are getting old!

Yogi
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Have the 4 year degree and no background check problems....Tell me again why I want to apply to a carrier that starts out a 737 pilot at 30K and no health insurance.....You guys need some new talking points...Quick, call Herndon and get some new material....:laugh:
 
Unfortunatly, Joe "Jackarse" Merchant is right... Mgmt will show up with a big bag of dead presidents to slide under the table.... and presto!!! The arbitrators going to rule in favor of Mgmt, with the stipulation that no CAL pilot will be furloughed as a result... And Mgmt brings on 70+ seaters and shrinks the company through attrition when retirements start again...

Wait and see!!!!
 
Unfortunatly, Joe "Jackarse" Merchant is right... Mgmt will show up with a big bag of dead presidents to slide under the table.... and presto!!! The arbitrators going to rule in favor of Mgmt, with the stipulation that no CAL pilot will be furloughed as a result... And Mgmt brings on 70+ seaters and shrinks the company through attrition when retirements start again...

Wait and see!!!!

You mean slide the bag under the table to ALPA who will then....
 
BLUE BAYOU said:
...and Colgan flies 70+ seat Q400s for you don't they?
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Props with up to 79 seats may be outsourced to the lowest bidder under our current contract. It's an unfortunate oversight, but Express only had a handful of ATR-72s and I'm not even sure if the Q-400 existed when our scope clause was written in 1997. Jets on the other hand, are capped at 59 seats, hence the uproar over Mgt's planned contract violation in less than a month.
 
JoeMerchant said:
Have the 4 year degree and no background check problems....Tell me again why I want to apply to a carrier that starts out a 737 pilot at 30K and no health insurance.....You guys need some new talking points...Quick, call Herndon and get some new material....:laugh:
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How about when pilots start out at over $50K and heath insurance starts from day 1, with second year pay in the $90-$100K range? Bankruptcy contracts won't last forever...
 
luckytohaveajob said:
The senior pilots who got another five years want what part of your quote?

Unlikely to happen.
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And they represent what percentage of the entire group?? Lucky, go cry somewhere else. Maybe you and Joe "The Blow" Merchant can have a self-pity party and compare who is more inadequate.
 
Jetjockey said:
And they represent what percentage of the entire group?? Lucky, go cry somewhere else. Maybe you and Joe "The Blow" Merchant can have a self-pity party and compare who is more inadequate.
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You imply the five-more-year guys are a small fraction. Don't underestimate their influence. Even more so is the huge group of ten-to-fifteen-more-years guys right behind them that have the exact same motivations to maximize the time they have left.

So, the senior guys are not on your side and the regional guys aren't worthy of fair integration. Who exactly is fighting WITH you?
 
ALPA=FAILURE

Was not always the case, but it is time to move on. They have sold out to much, to many times. Sorry, not trying to be mean spirited, its just reality!!
 
IBNAV8R said:
You imply the five-more-year guys are a small fraction. Don't underestimate their influence. Even more so is the huge group of ten-to-fifteen-more-years guys right behind them that have the exact same motivations to maximize the time they have left.

So, the senior guys are not on your side and the regional guys aren't worthy of fair integration. Who exactly is fighting WITH you?
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You imply the guys with more than 5 years don't care about scope. Dead wrong. This issue is front and center. Doubt all you want. Integration of the regional guys??? What in the world are you talking about?

Ever notice how the biggest ALPA, union bashers are the guys with vague backgrounds, and no aircraft listed? Jerry's Kids??? Jerry needs to see you in his office for some "servicing issues".
 
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JetJackoff lists his resume in his profile. Nice work Nancy. You looking for a new job?

Do you think all the big committees are filled with altruistic junior guys such as yourself thinking about the future? Get a clue, clueless.
 
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case in point
 
Don't have the actual numbers, so I'm spit-balling here.
Also, it's a generalization of group attitudes - individual attitudes may differ.

A - Mainline pilots 60-65 - 5%
B - Mainline pilots 50-60 - 30%
C - Mainline pilots 20-50 - 25%
D - Regional pilots all ages - 40%

Group A sold out everyone else to take care of themselves.
Group B will need to maximize the years they have left and make up for all they've lost. Why be different than the previous group?
Group C has the most lose in this whole mess and seem to be the most vocal about scope - and with good reason.
Group D, it's been suggested, should be overjoyed to staple themselves to the smelly side of Group C regardless of QOL, security and pay they currently enjoy. Group D wouldn't mind if integration was fair. Group D is beneath contempt of Group C. Group C will have NO integration whatsoever - They think they got theirs (though not to the extent of A & B). Group D must then also look out for themselves.

So, we have 25% with the most to lose against 75% who either won't care or have something to gain from seeing scope go away - not to mention the fat cats who would love nothing more than to pay RJ wages for wide-body captains.

Unless groups unite, and on terms acceptable to all, what do you think will happen to domestic narrow-body flying?
 
IBNAV8R said:
Don't have the actual numbers, so I'm spit-balling here.
Also, it's a generalization of group attitudes - individual attitudes may differ.

A - Mainline pilots 60-65 - 5%
B - Mainline pilots 50-60 - 30%
C - Mainline pilots 20-50 - 25%
D - Regional pilots all ages - 40%

Group A sold out everyone else to take care of themselves.
Group B will need to maximize the years they have left and make up for all they've lost. Why be different than the previous group?
Group C has the most lose in this whole mess and seem to be the most vocal about scope - and with good reason.
Group D, it's been suggested, should be overjoyed to staple themselves to the smelly side of Group C regardless of QOL, security and pay they currently enjoy. Group D wouldn't mind if integration was fair. Group D is beneath contempt of Group C. Group C will have NO integration whatsoever - They think they got theirs (though not to the extent of A & B). Group D must then also look out for themselves.

So, we have 25% with the most to lose against 75% who either won't care or have something to gain from seeing scope go away - not to mention the fat cats who would love nothing more than to pay RJ wages for wide-body captains.

Unless groups unite, and on terms acceptable to all, what do you think will happen to domestic narrow-body flying?
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You nailed it....Perfect analysis Sir....
 
JoeMerchant said:
Have the 4 year degree and no background check problems....Tell me again why I want to apply to a carrier that starts out a 737 pilot at 30K and no health insurance.....You guys need some new talking points...Quick, call Herndon and get some new material....:laugh:
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I don't know Joe, why did you pay $8500 for a job that pays less than $30k to start? Quick resurrect the rjdc, they did so much for your career and that lawsuit...:laugh:
 
So Joe was a PFTer AND a supporter of the RJDC? Really?

SAY IT AINT SO JOE!
 

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