Unfortunately CAL will lose it's 50 seat scope.

[Jetjockey]

The only pilots who will get displaced in IAH are the 37 drivers.

Lucky has eternal PMS. Give it up. Maybe stick a sock in it.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

CAL ALPA is a scab union. Never forgive, never forget.

If SCOPE rides on the hope of a scab forget about it.

 

[sleeves]

Also, when CAL flowbacks went to XJT they went back to CAL, got their $$$, then shut down the flow through for XJT. They got theirs and left, that mentality has NEVER changed at CAL and never will.

MGT. dumped the flow-through, not the flowbacks. If anything the junior pilots at Express were the most vocal about not renewing it.

 

[Ex737Driver]

MGT. dumped the flow-through, not the flowbacks. If anything the junior pilots at Express were the most vocal about not renewing it.

I was just going to let that point go...................

 

[Whydoitry]

MGT. dumped the flow-through, not the flowbacks. If anything the junior pilots at Express were the most vocal about not renewing it.

No that is not correct. The enhanced flow through was killed by the CAL side of ALPA.

 

[Ex737Driver]

No that is not correct. The enhanced flow through was killed by the CAL side of ALPA.

No it wasn't. There was never enough support from the new XJT pilots that had lost senority and seats because of it. Add to the fact that CAL MGMT was IPO'ing selling XJT outright. There still could have been a flow through and even one better, a single senority list but saying that the CAL MEC killed both is simply not true.

 

[SFR]

Another really bad pilot joke.....Really man people died.
Are you that frustrated, or is your pillow at the cleaners?

It is not a joke. I am tired of bad pilots. Stupid accidents happened like this one because those people should have chosen another career path.

I saw it all the time at the regionals, I would say 50% of the pilot staff could not deal with a real emergency, 50% of them would make stupid mistakes on a daily basis. When they are paired together the odds of dumb mistakes doubles.

I am not saying I am perfect, I make mistakes too. But my daily mistakes would be things like breaking sterile cockpit, not doing all of the waypoint accuracy checks accross the Atlantic (who cares btw if you do them, just look at the GPS if it is working), forgetting to switch to tower at the sign in "LAX" (I may remember 100' past or so).... stuff that is not that big of a deal..

When if comes to situational awareness and actually doing what is important, flying the plane, I am at about a 99%. Oh and BTW, you can read the newspaper and know what is going on, unless you don't have any skill. I know there are some geeks that can't do that because they have to pay attention all the time...they are nervous every flight... My advice to them is change career, they were not meant to be a pilot.

I really get tired of the union protecting these pilots. I think they should be fired. I had a sim partner once at a regional that got 5 extra sim lessons, ridiculous!! I was finishing up sim #3 and he was still on sim #1, couldn't do a raw data takeoff, kept crashing.

Do you want your family or yourself on his plane, with 2 pilots like that?


Look at the Comair crash in Lexington....more bad pilots. You may say "that could happen to any of us"... I hate to tell you, NOT REALLY... good pilots would figure it out anything short of a unrecoverable mechanical issue.

Bad pilot crashes:

1) Air Florida
2) American in Cali
3) Air France in 2009
4) Most regional accidents.... AE in Indiana & RDU, Comair in DTW, Jetstream that crashed in Hibing & the other one up north in 2004. ACA in CMH (1995 I think), Clownair in LEX

5) and many more..


We need to demand good pilot hiring practices in order to demand higher wages!!! As long as we have goofy characters amongst us we will always get treated goofy by management.

 

[Whydoitry]

No it wasn't. There was never enough support from the new XJT pilots that had lost senority and seats because of it. Add to the fact that CAL MGMT was IPO'ing selling XJT outright. There still could have been a flow through and even one better, a single senority list but saying that the CAL MEC killed both is simply not true.

No, it simply is true. A single list was created and 20 minutes or so later killed by CAL reps on the MEC. Same with the enhanced flow, had there been support by CAL reps it may have proceeded. The issue just whithered and was never voted on by either pilot group.

 

[nimtz]

No, it simply is true. A single list was created and 20 minutes or so later killed by CAL reps on the MEC. Same with the enhanced flow, had there been support by CAL reps it may have proceeded. The issue just whithered and was never voted on by either pilot group.

No it wouldn't. Do you really think CAL management would of reacted by saying, 'hey what a great idea, why didn't you guys do this earlier!?!' CAL at best would of accepted for steep concessions which btw CAL pilots were already dealing with. The idea became a waste of O2 the minute the IPO was spun. As far as 'enhanced flowthrough', my new hire class at CAL was 2 out of 3 XJT/Other. But we can keep blaming those 'POS CAL scabs' for crushing that ow so perfect one list dream...

 

[EWR_FO]

The issue just whithered and was never voted on by either pilot group.

You might want to go back and check your facts, it WAS voted on and Expressjet voted to end it. Do some research and come back.

 

[nerjdriver]

Are you an XJT pilot? Because if you are, I'd think you'd be kinda pissed that mgt's violation of our contract will result in hundreds of your brothers and sisters getting displaced from their homes in IAH. BTW, I walked the line for Contract '04. Did you?

How is management violating the CBA by displacing you??????????

 

[nerjdriver]

You stupid phuk teenager. Go back to the regional board. We are going to put a boot up mgmts a$$ and kick yours out of our flying. CAL and UAL are taking the flying back or we are shutting it down. GET IT?

Can't wait to see the planes parked tough guy. The flying is gone, your not getting sh!t.

GET IT!?!

 

[sleeves]

No that is not correct. The enhanced flow through was killed by the CAL side of ALPA.

No, CAL ALPA cannot just dictate a flow-through to mgt. MGT. wanted it dead and would not even discuss it. I just missed the flow and was one of the first PIGS. One of the major reasons the IPO happen was to keep the groups seperated. It is in MGT. (And apparently Joe Merchant's) best interest to keep the flying split. The CAL pilots at the time were not interested or in a position to strike over the issue. It is a different group now, no more outsourcing.

 

[densoo]

Take That!

This a lesson they won't soon forget.

Their feet are to the fire and they're feeling the heat now!

United Airlines and Continental Airlines, wholly owned subsidiaries of United Continental Holdings, today announced that the airlines were first and second respectively in on-time performance for domestic scheduled flights among America's five largest global carriers for October 2010.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

How is management violating the CBA by displacing you??????????

Uh, maybe you should reread my post. Mgt's violation of our (CAL) contract is resulting in many XJT flights being upgauged to 70 seaters, which is illegal. As a result, XJT pilots are being displaced out of their bases to ORD to do the flying Shuttle and Skywest used to do. This first wave of 70 seat flying is mostly just a rearrangement of the deck chairs and will have minimal negative impact on CAL mainline flying. However, it is still illegal per our scope clause, and as I'm sure you know, once you let a wolf into the henhouse.....

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Their MGMT feet are to the fire and they're feeling the heat now!

So is this what is discussed at union meetings? Keep the schedule on time. Fly broke airplanes. Oh, and there is a sidewalk march tomorrow. Wear your hat! Get'R'Done. NOT!

Leverage is achieved through force. Mechanics and flight attendants understand the force principle. Pilots are just too dumb thinking they can out deal the devil.

Defending SCOPE is going to take more than an arbitrator and a December meeting.

 

[Freedom]

You Guys are Missing the BIG PICTURE

What will affect the Majors the most, is what just took place at Southwest.

They use to just fly into outlying airports, then they started moving into the main hub airports, like Denver. Then they buy AirTran, who never did avoid the main airports, so now Southwest will be going head to head with even more Major Airline routes. Combine them with the JetBlue's of the world, and the Majors will simply be unable to compete with their cost structures in the domestic market. So where will they look to make money? International operations only. You will then have the larger Regionals doing more and more of the domestic work of the Majors, because the Majors will no longer be able to make money in the domestic market competing head to head with the Southwests of the world.

The end result: Less Mainline Pilot jobs, more Discount Carrier Pilot jobs and more Regional Pilot Jobs.

Its happening folks. No Union Contract provisions will stop it.

If one were starting out today, I'd say their best bet would be to try and get on one of the Southwests or JetBlue's of the world. Them, or one of the Larger Regionals.

The Majors are going to be reducing their overall Pilot population in the coming years, in my opinion. Scope clauses will not stop it. Its simple economics.

 

[johnsonrod]

What will affect the Majors the most, is what just took place at Southwest.

They use to just fly into outlying airports, then they started moving into the main hub airports, like Denver. Then they buy AirTran, who never did avoid the main airports, so now Southwest will be going head to head with even more Major Airline routes. Combine them with the JetBlue's of the world, and the Majors will simply be unable to compete with their cost structures in the domestic market. So where will they look to make money? International operations only. You will then have the larger Regionals doing more and more of the domestic work of the Majors, because the Majors will no longer be able to make money in the domestic market competing head to head with the Southwests of the world.

The end result: Less Mainline Pilot jobs, more Discount Carrier Pilot jobs and more Regional Pilot Jobs.

Its happening folks. No Union Contract provisions will stop it.

If one were starting out today, I'd say their best bet would be to try and get on one of the Southwests or JetBlue's of the world. Them, or one of the Larger Regionals.

The Majors are going to be reducing their overall Pilot population in the coming years, in my opinion. Scope clauses will not stop it. Its simple economics.

Here you go again......lot's of opinion, and no facts. Ever heard of retirements? The majors will have far more retirements than the newer upstarts. How many Jetblue pilots are scheduled to retire anytime soon? How about Virgin America? What about Airtran? That really isn't a senior "bunch." That means a bunch of middle aged guys enter the SWA list. That isn't good for movement. The Majors have tons of upcoming retirements.Ever seen the numbers? Over the next few years, up to 700 or more pilots leave PER YEAR, and that continues. Every guy that leaves there moves 20 or more people UPWARD. Same goes for UAL/CAL, AA, and USAir.

And where do you come up with the Majors having ONLY INTL flying? Give me a break. Oil is moving higher, and RJs are again becoming less and less attractive. And, scope clauses do work, and with more profits at the Majors, managements have less leverage to ask for concessions on anything, including scope. I think you need to re-read the part on negotiations and leverage. Sometimes you DON'T have to give up something to gain something else. When you are coming off of a BK contract, everything goes UP. When your closest neighbor (Airtran) gets a huge raise thanks to a SWA merger, that can only help DL's future negotiations. That new raise for Airtran will be the starting point for wage increases there. And guess what? I want to be a part of it. I have 3 internal recs, and I am hoping for an interview during this next round. I don't want to fly more domestic flying. I want to try something new.

And did you say more regional jobs? After the FAA imposes new hiring minimums? Won't that hurt Regional airlines, affecting how they hire? They may have to raise rates to attract anyone with enough hours to qualify. If they do that, then they will become less efficient, and that means they will likely downsize because their costs will go up. Then throw in the new rest and fatigue rule requirements, and that will do another number on regionals. Min rest hours at hotels will take away continuous duty overnights (a regional staple), and also duty day limits will shrink depending on how many legs you fly per day (another regional staple--lots of legs per day). That will make regional costs GO UP. They may want larger planes (100 seaters) to compensate, but mainline scope will stay strong because of the lack of leverage management has because of recent high profits. Sorry, you are mistaken.


And speeking of trying something new, how about you go look up some facts before you type. It sure would be nice.

 

[AWACoff]

Can't wait to see the planes parked tough guy. The flying is gone, your not getting sh!t.

GET IT!?!

Can't wait to see you parked in the unemployment line. Your job is gone. You're not getting sh!t. I hope you enjoy losing your home, your wife, EVERYTHING you have worked for. Hopefully just in time for Christmas. Wait...that's what happened to the United and CAL furloughees. May it happen to you too, Merry Xmas!

For all the other pilots on this forum, this is just a special Xmas wish for nerjdriver. May Karma find him at the worst possible time and ruin his life. I hope to have the opportunity to spit in your face as you are laying homeless in the gutter cradling a bottle of 20/20 on Xmas eve.

Ahhhhh, now that felt gooooood.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Pilots playing checkers


Mgmt playing chess