LOA for Compass and Mesaba flow ups to DL

[General Lee]

Looks like all 409 current Compass pilots and 108 Mesaba pilots get to flow up to Delta if they choose. Congrats to all involved, now and in the future.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[LazyLightnin']

Don't give a rat's ass

 

[WSurf]

Looks like all 409 current Compass pilots and 108 Mesaba pilots get to flow up to Delta if they choose. Congrats to all involved, now and in the future.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Thats good news for many! I am sure many of the senior folks will hang out and stay, but for Junior Captains this is a great opportunity.

Lee, will there be mins attached? Like you have to have PIC time?

 

[WSurf]

Don't give a rat's ass

I am sure many at Compass and Mesaba do

 

[NoJoy]

He probably hates Delta. Good for Delta to help out Compass and Mesaba pilots.

 

[cmrflyer]

Good for Delta to help out Compass and Mesaba pilots.

Yes, because they usually sh*t all over regional pilots.

 

[Metro752]

Congrats to them.

 

[OCP]

Hey General,

Is it true at Delta that if the face to face portion of the interview is a fail, you can never reapply?

 

[WSurf]

Hey General,

Is it true at Delta that if the face to face portion of the interview is a fail, you can never reapply?

Ahhhh, then its not a flowthru. Thats a preferential interview for a job. Thats what US Airways gave us...

 

[andyd]

that is a correct statement.

 

[General Lee]

Ahhhh, then its not a flowthru. Thats a preferential interview for a job. Thats what US Airways gave us...

There is NO face to face interview for any of the Compass guys, and the 108 Mesaba guys get to come over via seniority. Some of the top Mesaba guys apparently want to stay Captains and don't want to come over to DL, which is up to them. It will go down the list and whichever 108 guys want it first, get to go. No interview for them either. (that is what I have heard anyway )


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hey General,

Is it true at Delta that if the face to face portion of the interview is a fail, you can never reapply?

I believe that is correct.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Flyer1015]

Some of the top Mesaba guys apparently want to stay Captains and don't want to come over to DL, which is up to them.

LOL! Stupid Captains. If only they had any idea just how bad they are gonna get reamed up the rear once this whole Pinnacle 'asset transfer' and Colgan merger happen...

Jumping ship to Delta is probably the best thing you could do. I know it will be a paycut for 1 to 2 years, and a cut in days off, but you will lose much more by staying. Let me tell you, working for Phil T is not fun. Nor is it a career.

 

[Andrew_VT]

It will go down the list and whichever 108 guys want it first, get to go.
Bye Bye--General Lee

Nope, delta wanted a firm cutoff point on the Mesaba seniority list. They added 108 numbers (9/mo x 12 months) to the most senior pilot that hadn't yet flowed or bypassed. So exactly how many more flows there will be depends on how many people bypass.

 

[trip]

You would have to be really stupid to bypass IMHO.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Don't give a rat's ass

.... but decided to post anyway.

 

[COOPERVANE]

.... but decided to post anyway.

HaHa,

Yeah, I read this thread and didn't post anything.....wait!

 

[zawillif]

Delta still planning on taking 600 next year? This would allow them to do it without hiring off the street, though I think I remember reading they can't take all the Compass guys all at once.

 

[Buzo]

Delta still planning on taking 600 next year? This would allow them to do it without hiring off the street, though I think I remember reading they can't take all the Compass guys all at once.

The rumors are for a lot of hiring. Only 25% of the Compass list can flow in a rolling 12 month period.

 

[Xcorporate]

why 108 from Mesaba? Why not 110 or 150?

 

[GOULET!]

why 108 from Mesaba? Why not 110 or 150?

Per the original agreement Mesaba was allowed to flow 9 pilots per month so under the LOA they are allowed to flow one year's worth of pilots to Delta (9 pilots x 12 months= 108 pilots). I'm amazed that anybody would bypass the flow at Mesaba. I know there have only been 2-3 pilots at Compass that have bypassed in the 60ish or so people that have already gotten seniority numbers.

 

[flap operator]

Here we go again... first, the top 124 have already had their opportunity to flow. Most bypassed but 14 flowed to NWA pre merger. Our top 124 have been at XJ for a very long time. Some in the neighborhood of 30 years. Our most senior was hired in 1981 and is 61 years old. The most junior of that top 124 that bypassed was hired in 1995 and is 47 years old. So if you were 60+ making over 100K getting everything you want, would you flow? Probably not. Everyone has their own reasons and believe it or not, do not find DL as the holy grail.

Of the next 108 who are eligible, very few will bypass. In fact only 7 have indicated they don't want to flow. A couple are "older" born in the 50s and the others I'm sure have their reasons. Several have either not indicated either way or are not eligible. This group makes up another senior bunch with 12-20 years seniority. The most senior eligible was hired in 1995 as well and the most junior eligible to flow was hired in 1998.

So obviously, the majority will flow. The ones that don't either can't or have personal reasons for not doing so. There's no reason to paint these guys as being stupid, lazy, incompetent or somehow moronic for not wanting to flow.

 

[mynameisjim]

The rumors are for a lot of hiring. Only 25% of the Compass list can flow in a rolling 12 month period.

True although the new loa says those limits can be waived upon joint agreement of the two companies.

 

[Xcorporate]

Per the original agreement Mesaba was allowed to flow 9 pilots per month so under the LOA they are allowed to flow one year's worth of pilots to Delta (9 pilots x 12 months= 108 pilots). I'm amazed that anybody would bypass the flow at Mesaba. I know there have only been 2-3 pilots at Compass that have bypassed in the 60ish or so people that have already gotten seniority numbers.

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[NuGuy]

And just to add, the flow down is still in place at CPZ...otherwise the company would have had to redo their 76 seat numbers.

Nu

 

[xjhawk]

Ummm, help Mesaba guys? I call it a big screw job for hundreds of Mesaba pilots. Not even all of the 108 can flow because they do not have degrees. I would not mind finding out who was behind that decision and giving them the ..... we shall say my opinion on why it was a bad decision. Please hope American and United (Continental) start hiring within three years

 

[GogglesPisano]

Not even all of the 108 can flow because they do not have degrees.

Where is that language?

 

[Raskal]

Ummm, help Mesaba guys? I call it a big screw job for hundreds of Mesaba pilots. Not even all of the 108 can flow because they do not have degrees. I would not mind finding out who was behind that decision and giving them the ..... we shall say my opinion on why it was a bad decision. Please hope American and United (Continental) start hiring within three years

You know who was behind it. Though I have to admit, I didn't expect even this much. I disagree with the degree requirement also, those pilots should be able to flow under the old agreement.

As for United/Con...we're all hoping the hiring will be there, I hear ya.

 

[flap operator]

Move on already guys! The deal is done. There's no point in constantly complaining about what we did or didn't get. The complaining on this thread is making XJ pilots look like a bunch of ungrateful and whining babies! All this energy should be channeled into making sure the merger committee and negotiating committee are well aware of the wants/needs of the pilot group so that we end up with the best possible outcome for SLI and joint contract. Any XJ pilot with the desire and ability to leave pre and post PCL sale should have had their resumes dusted off and should have been in full swing in an honest and aggressive job search. If not... well, that's your own fault.

 

[big shacks]

Thanks Flap..sick of hearing about how we got screwed...get over it!