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"Line Up and Wait" - Let's Hear it for Globalization

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satpak77 said:
sounds good. Because if you bought Toyota Camry you are buying a car built in USA. If you bought a Ford Crown Vic the entire vehicle or large portions of the vehicle were built in Mexico or Ontario, Canada, work done by foreigners and not Americans.

Long live USA
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Not valid argument.

I can find Ford on the NYSE and the money stays and is controlled in the USA. With a Toyota all the $$$ winds up in Japan.

All you are do is sending your $$$ to a holding company then onto Japan.
 
G4G5 said:
Not valid argument.

I can find Ford on the NYSE and the money stays and is controlled in the USA. With a Toyota all the $$$ winds up in Japan.

All you are do is sending your $$$ to a holding company then onto Japan.
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maybe so but Joe Smith works on the assembly line for Toyota and has money to pay his kids college.

the other guy doesn't

I guess my point was "jobs" not corporate profits (your points are 100% correct). Similar to Virgin Airlines America (or whatever it is called) employing gringos to fly Airbus'es around USA, it beats the unemployment line.
 
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Im still just simply impressed that LD's Buick has 434,000 miles on it.
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
Im still just simply impressed that LD's Buick has 434,000 miles on it.
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And 30 MPG on the highway. That 3.8L V-6 is a tough motor. Runs forever. I think a lot of them were built in Canada though. Ooops.

The lowest mileage one I have is over 115K, the others are all over 200K.
 
In Hong Kong yesterday, I was given, "Line up RWY 7R". Are they shortening the verbage? This is not the first time I have heard this in Asia.

Glad to hear all is well with ya LD!
 
rumrnr78 said:
In Hong Kong yesterday, I was given, "Line up RWY 7R". Are they shortening the verbage? This is not the first time I have heard this in Asia.

Glad to hear all is well with ya LD!
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I was in Calgary a couple of weeks ago, and the tower was using "Line up at the threshold RWY 34" instead of "Line up and wait RWY 34." I had been up the way in Edmonton a little earlier in the day, and they were using the correct phraseology. I know it's Canada and not a place that people necessarily have trouble understanding the controllers, but I seem to remember them making a big push for the standardization of the "line up and wait" phraseology up there a few years ago. So much for that it seems!

Also, has anyone besides me ever heard a controller to clear you to "line up and take off RWY XX?" I've gotten that one from SBEG several times passing through there. Seems like the rest of the controllers I talk to at other airports in Brazil use "clear take off RWY XX," but "Clear line up and take off RWY XX" seems to be the norm in Manaus. It confuses the hell out of the crew for a split second because you can't tell whether it was a "line up and wait" or a "line up and take off" clearance! Anyone who has been to Brazil can attest that those controllers are pretty hard to decipher at best!
 
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or better yet.."line up and takeoff after departing Airbus (etc)"

Just verify things if there is any confusion - which there often is in some places.

Line up and wait, position and hold...whatever. Not a big deal.
 
rumrnr78 said:
In Hong Kong yesterday, I was given, "Line up RWY 7R". Are they shortening the verbage? This is not the first time I have heard this in Asia.

Glad to hear all is well with ya LD!
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Not just in Asia, some places in Europe as well. Now if I could only remember where....;)
 
It has been my experience when flying in non-English speaking countries, which is considerable, that you have to keep in mind that many of the controllers only speak very limited English, just enough in many cases to pass the English section of their training.

Demanding American style radio phraseology only contributes to more anti-American feelings around the world. So be part of the cure, not the problem.

Besides that, the more one responses in proper ICAO ATC language, the more professional the controller will believe you are, even for a Yank.

Hell, I've been fooling Air Traffic Controllers all over the world for years making them think I was a real professional. :p
 
con-pilot said:
It has been my experience when flying in non-English speaking countries, which is considerable, that you have to keep in mind that many of the controllers only speak very limited English, just enough in many cases to pass the English section of their training.
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I've found this to DEFINITELY be the case when flying in Brazil. The Brazilian controllers know just enough English to issue "normal" clearances/instructions, but they don't have the slightest clue as to what you're requesting as soon as you deviate from standard phraseology (especially in remote, off the beaten path destinations; Rio and Sao Paulo aren't too bad if I remember correctly). Trying to get a clarification on a clearance limit issued by a previous controller gets dead silence on the frequency for a few moments, for example. It has been over a year and a half since I was last in Brazil, so it may have gotten better since then!
 
Demanding American style radio phraseology only contributes to more anti-American feelings around the world. So be part of the cure, not the problem.

Besides that, the more one responses in proper ICAO ATC language, the more professional the controller will believe you are
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One of the things that I find the funniest is when people start this conversations with the controller on completely nonstandard phraseology "Hey we were wondering because we are running a bit late here and we would like to make up some time if it is possible to go direct to XXX and see if we can make up some of the lost time here, if not we would take direct to XXX instead to see if you could help us out" all of this in Taipei's airspace and they don't realize that they lost the controller right after "Hey" so the controller reverts to the most safe answer for him "Flight plan route" not because they couldn't give you a short cut but only because they didn't get a word you said. If you keep your requests simple "Request direct to XXX" you will have a lot better chance to get what you want
 
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Dumb Pilot said:
One of the things that I find the funniest is when people start this conversations with the controller on completely nonstandard phraseology "Hey we were wondering because we are running a bit late here and we would like to make up some time if it is possible to go direct to XXX and see if we can make up some of the lost time here, if not we would take direct to XXX instead to see if you could help us out" all of this in Taipei's airspace and they don't realize that they lost the controller right after "Hey" so the controller reverts to the most safe answer for him "Flight plan route" not because they couldn't give you a short cut but only because they didn't get a word you said. If you keep your requests simple "Request direct to XXX" you will have a lot better chance to get what you want
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"Hey there Shannon its Deltaz 3421 how y'all doing witcha at 35 this mornin' runnin a bit late any chance dy-rect Dolip"
 

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