Qatar Airways anyone?

[Flyer1015]

Two questions for anyone who has been there/interviewed,

1. Does a US Comm/ME/Inst and ATP written qualify for them for FO position. I mean, they say a frozen ATPL is allowed, it's not a 'frozen ATPL' but about as close as it can get for those in the US without having the ATPL itself.

2. Anyone here interview there this year 2010 or 2009? How was it?

 

[dondk]

C'mon now, your thinking of running from 9E? Who will replace your commentary on the private board?

Anyway, the certificates you have are good enough to interview. If you search around people have interviewed there in the last year. Although (rumor now) I have heard they are not really interested in RJ drivers. This comes from a few former 9E'rs that are at Qatar right now. If you got bus or heavy time you jump to the top of the list. Don't have that, well you have nothing to lose on applying, just don't plan on a call tomorrow.

Ask around the DTW crew room, I am sure someone can put you in contact with a former 9E'rs.

 

[NEDude]

Two questions for anyone who has been there/interviewed,

1. Does a US Comm/ME/Inst and ATP written qualify for them for FO position. I mean, they say a frozen ATPL is allowed, it's not a 'frozen ATPL' but about as close as it can get for those in the US without having the ATPL itself.

2. Anyone here interview there this year 2010 or 2009? How was it?

I interviewed this past November - see the "Emirates Interviews" thread for some of the details about not getting it.

But basically they fly you over at no cost from any Qatar station. First class if space available, I got it both ways. The first class experience on Qatar was very nice. Put up in the Marriot Doha, which was very nice as well, but far away from anything to see or do.

The interview is conducted in the conference room at the hotel and starts with a company overview. After that there is a written exam, look on pprune.com for some links on study guides. They grade the written right away. If you fail that is the end of the interview. If you pass you are sent back to your room and you will be notified of a time for the interview. If you pass the interview, you again are sent back to your room and will be notified of the arrangements for you sim eval. I did not make it to the sim eval so can't tell you much about that. And my interview consisted of a statement that I did not meet their currency requirements so they could not offer me a position.

I think it could be okay over there, but honestly was a bit disappointed with the compensation package. And the health insurance is not a global insurance, it is only good in Qatar.

 

[Violet]

NEDude,
Actually, the insurance is world-wide...it is one of the decent benefits QA offers. You can see a doctor in any country and be reimbursed. Compensation is also good, if you don't have kids. Schools are expensive, and the schooling allowance will cover only 1 kid. I've been here for a while, and when you put aside the negatives you end up with a guaranteed paycheck each month, job security (as long as you keep your nose clean), 42 days paid leave a year, new aircraft, and for US citizens, pay is tax-free. They are continually hiring new people and introducing new aircraft. After the turmoil and uncertainty experienced in US aviation, it is nice not to have to constantly be updating resumes and looking for new jobs because your airline furloughed you or went out of business. Not for everyone, but not as bad many imagine.

 

[CX880]

What do they hire into assuming you're an RJ driver? How long is training? What is the longevity for expats, do they stick around?

 

[yellowfever]

I think it could be okay over there, but honestly was a bit disappointed with the compensation package. And the health insurance is not a global insurance, it is only good in Qatar.

Don't you fly for Virgin America?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I have heard they are not really interested in RJ drivers. This comes from a few former 9E'rs that are at Qatar right now. If you got bus or heavy time you jump to the top of the list. Don't have that, well you have nothing to lose on applying, just don't plan on a call tomorrow.

Zup dondk! I would recommend that the RJ drivers that are interested in jobs abroad start applying in the next few months, Its going to get pretty interesting in the International Jobs market in 2011

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Yes, QR and EK are not really interested in RJ drivers today (or maybe that was yesterday, and today they are). The recruiters are already desperate, and month by month, as the months head toward about 2015, their level of despair will increase, barring a 911 type event.

The Tidal Wave of required pilots, less pilots worldwide, and US retirements starting again in 2012, after a 5 years absence, will come together to create a perfect storm.

I just read in another thread that in 2009 Australia awarded 20 new ATP licenses......20..........

cliff
LFW

 

[House_X]

Hi!

Yes, QR and EK are not really interested in RJ drivers today (or maybe that was yesterday, and today they are). The recruiters are already desperate, and month by month, as the months head toward about 2015, their level of despair will increase, barring a 911 type event.

The Tidal Wave of required pilots, less pilots worldwide, and US retirements starting again in 2012, after a 5 years absence, will come together to create a perfect storm.

I just read in another thread that in 2009 Australia awarded 20 new ATP licenses......20..........

cliff
LFW

Do they still have a "termination department"? Heard some of the guys at QR often move on to other jobs after a few years. Doha was a bit too conservative for the average westerner, makes Dubai seem like Chico State on a Saturday night. Great airline to fly on as a pax though...

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Yes, Dubai is more "Westernized" than Doha. It is also bigger and more to do. I AM sure that some people would find Doha more attractive, for various reasons.

cliff
LFW

 

[CX880]

Hi!

Yes, Dubai is more "Westernized" than Doha. It is also bigger and more to do. I AM sure that some people would find Doha more attractive, for various reasons.

cliff
LFW

yea and those reasons are?

 

[House_X]

yea and those reasons are?

I've flown freight all through the Middle East and here is my raking of livable cities for Westerners (with airlines that hire expats)

1. Dubai
2. Abu Dabi
3. Doha
4. Jetta
5. Riyadh

Of course, I would take any city in Asia over living in Dubai...

 

[chignutsak]

I've flown freight all through the Middle East and here is my raking of livable cities for Westerners (with airlines that hire expats)

1. Dubai
2. Abu Dabi
3. Doha
4. Jetta
5. Riyadh

Of course, I would take any city in Asia over living in Dubai...

What about Bahrain?

 

[Citjok]

Do they still have a "termination department"? Heard some of the guys at QR often move on to other jobs after a few years. Doha was a bit too conservative for the average westerner, makes Dubai seem like Chico State on a Saturday night. Great airline to fly on as a pax though...

I have heard that if you are single they expect you to live like a monk. Can't take females (f/a's) to your villa. They have security cameras monitoring everything. No thanks,they can keep their shinny jets.

 

[CX880]

I have heard that if you are single they expect you to live like a monk. Can't take females (f/a's) to your villa. They have security cameras monitoring everything. No thanks,they can keep their shinny jets.

I think that's with most foreign carriers. I've heard the same thing for the reputable Asian carriers. They will terminate you for socializing with a F.A off duty. I'm sure those Russian/Ukraine F.As are off limits too.

 

[BushwickBill]

I think that's with most foreign carriers. I've heard the same thing for the reputable Asian carriers. They will terminate you for socializing with a F.A off duty. I'm sure those Russian/Ukraine F.As are off limits too.

Awwww man whats the point of being a pilot then?

I've been looking forward to that since a friend of mine told me about his exploits in HK....

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I think that's with most foreign carriers. I've heard the same thing for the reputable Asian carriers. They will terminate you for socializing with a F.A off duty. I'm sure those Russian/Ukraine F.As are off limits too.

Somebody forgot to tell the F/A's that here in Japan:laugh:

 

[the turtle]

I've flown freight all through the Middle East and here is my raking of livable cities for Westerners (with airlines that hire expats)

1. Dubai
2. Abu Dabi
3. Doha
4. Jetta
5. Riyadh

Of course, I would take any city in Asia over living in Dubai...

I wouldn't take Mumbai over Dubai...no way.

And it's Jeddah, not Jetta...a Jetta is something that won't start on a wet morning!

 

[Dumb Pilot]

a Jetta is something that won't start on a wet morning!

Too bad you have never owned a VW, that made the joke fall flat.:laugh:

 

[fareview]

I've flown freight all through the Middle East and here is my raking of livable cities for Westerners (with airlines that hire expats)

1. Dubai
2. Abu Dabi
3. Doha
4. Jetta
5. Riyadh

Of course, I would take any city in Asia over living in Dubai...

What cities in the M/E and Asia have you lived in?

fv

 

[johnsonrod]

I hear much of China (bigger cities) and Hong Kong are chock full of unhealthy air and smog...

 

[Dizel8]

I think what someone said rings true, the foreign air carriers are going to scrambling for pilots before too long, so RJ time will probably soon be "good" enough.

 

[nabd30]

I think what someone said rings true, the foreign air carriers are going to scrambling for pilots before too long, so RJ time will probably soon be "good" enough.

It once was "good enough" around '06-'07...all in due time...

Some check airman quoted some stat the other day about the total number of regional pilots relative to the total number of mainline retirements worldwide in the next decade that sounded pretty good to me...

Predictions are just that--and there are other bullets coming our way we'll have to dodge as a profession (MPL, one-man cargo crews, terrorism, etc.)...but if we can get 1500 hours req passed, stave off terrorism and MPL, and at least keep one-man crews on the 30 year range instead of the 10 year range, many of us should still have some decent times ahead...

I'm prob wrong though...

 

[spg2bmd]

I sure hope so, it would be nice to see some good things happen over here. Its been too long since flying was good in the states.

 

[House_X]

What cities in the M/E and Asia have you lived in?

fv

"Jetta" was due to going over the Mai Tai limit.

I never lived in the M/E, but I lived in Japan for 7 months. I've got a few friends at EK. They all like it "ok", but they would all take a class at SWA, UPS or FedEx at the first opportunity available.

 

[jercdevil]

Anyone have the pay rates for these outfits.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

FO pay is about the same as very good regional Capt pay, plus a lot of retirement money (at Emirates...Qatar has NO retirement).
Capt pay is on par with the highest Capt pay in the US (for comparable equipment), with more company money to retirement than in the US.
ALL pilots fly about the same amount, and have about the same amount of days off (seniority doesn't matter overseas anwhere near as much as in the US).

To learn more, go to pprune.org, and take it with a grain of salt! I know guys at both EK and QR who like their jobs...plus it is IMPOSSIBLE for EVERY airline to be the worst possible airline job in the world!!! ONLY ONE can be the WORST...and I think that it's probably Mesa, which is so far removed from a job like KAL/Cathay/EK/QR that they are almost in different universes. Most of the ppruners have never had ANY experience ANYTHING like working at a US regional airline!!!

cliff
LFW

 

[House_X]

I wouldn't take Mumbai over Dubai...no way.

And it's Jeddah, not Jetta...a Jetta is something that won't start on a wet morning!

Depends on the company contract T&C's. After flying freight out of India, it changed my perspective. It's a fascinating country and you can live like
P-Diddy at the fraction of the cost of Dubai with the right contract. The
Spice Jet and Indigo expats seemed to be enjoying it. Lot's of money is flowing into India and the infrastructure is changing for the better.
Always had a good time partying in Mumbai and Chennai, unlike in Dubai
which will result in personal financial bankruptcy.

 

[CommanderHoek]

Cliff, out of pure morbid curiosity, I ask again what you are doing now and what makes you such an expert on all the issues on this and other boards? How come you are not working for at least an Atlas or World or anyone decent for that matter?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

With my current job, I am not at home, and sometimes have a lot of time on my hands. I am trying to get a very nice job, so I do a lot of reasearch. I have read EVERY thread on pprune covering Qatar and EK. Lots of guys know a little, or not much about them. I LUV it when someone comes on and gives a long detailed post explaining a BUNCH of stuff about an airline...it helps me decide who to apply to. Not so much when they say "My airline sucks and it is the worst in the world"...especially when you read it over and over and the pilots are from 30 different airlines.

And, maybe I had an interview at a place like Atlas, but I wasn't hired...Why? who knows...but maybe I was the lowest experience guy in my interview group? World has not hired for about 2 1/2 years...they will probably hire at the end of the year.

I have had my app in at Emirates for about two years now...no call so far.

cliff
LFW
PS-U can always skip my posts if you don't want to read them. Have a great day!